From: kalliste@earthlink.net Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: Angel of Death Slams Justice Dept in Inslaw Case Date: Tue, 09 Apr 96 01:29:20 -0700 Organization: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Angel of Death Gives Deposition to Justice Department in Inslaw Case by J. Orlin Grabbe On April 2, 1996, Charles S. Hayes--retired CIA operative, Air Force Colonel, and Kentucky salvage dealer--was deposed by the U.S. Department of Justice with respect to the Inslaw case [1]. The attorney for the Department of Justice, Beth Cook, seemed ill-prepared for what turned out to be a brutal assault on the integrity of the Justice Department itself, which Hayes accused of lying, cheating, and stealing. Hayes has recently acquired the Internet label of AOD ("Angel of Death" or "Angel of Doom") due to his efforts in encouraging the early retirement of corrupt politicians. "Do you know the Angel of Death?" Cook asked at one point. "I know him well," Hayes replied. Hayes has previously testified with respect to the Inslaw case, most notably before a Chicago grand jury in August 1992. Hayes' extensive testimony in that case was redacted under the National Security Act. The reasons for the redaction are not known, but apparently the grand jury's questions lead far afield from the principal topic of the Justice Department's apparently illegal sales of Inslaw's PROMIS software, and got into topics related to a tangled web of freelance arms dealers, drug runners, assassins, and government miscreants--whose murky and disparate interrelationships Hayes dubbed "the Octopus"--a term adopted and popularized by freelance journalist Danny Casolaro [2], who used Hayes as a frequent source of information. Hayes is said to have testified to detailed criminal violations of U.S. law by employees of the Department of Justice and other government agencies. Although Hayes will not discuss his grand jury testimony, other sources say that with respect to the Inslaw case, he testified to a meeting at which he was present in Brazil in the course of which Earl Brian called Attorney General Ed Meese (then in the United States) to get approval for the sale of PROMIS to the Brazilian government. Hayes is said to have backed up this assertion with an affidavit of Brazilian President Joao Figueiredo. Earl Brian, who is said to have marketed the PROMIS software to intelligence agencies around the world, is currently under indictment in California. The indictment concerns ten of millions of dollars of fraudulent lease transactions made while Earl Brian was Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of three separate companies: Infotechology, Financial News Network (FNN), and United Press International (UPI). Early in the April 2, 1996, deposition, Justice Dept. attorney Beth Cook enjoined Hayes not to discuss his grand jury testimony. Subsequently, however, she began to question him about it. "Are you trying to entrap me?" Hayes asked. In the five-hour deposition, Hayes declared he was not present to help Inslaw, nor to help any government agency which was pirating software. "I'm here to help the people of the United States, whom I hold in esteem second only to my God" he said, and admonished Cook for what he called her lack of preparation, laziness, and wasting of taxpayers' money. He asked her if there was "some medical reason related to the time of month" for her "arrogance" and "obstinance". Hayes asked to be reimbursed for expenses related to the Justice Department subpoena. "We don't pay for subpoenas," Cook said, although in fact Federal law requires that expenses incurred in response to Federal subpoenas be reimbursed. Hayes pointed out that U.S. attorney Allen Lear had threatened to bring the FBI down on him on January 18, 1996. "I don't think that's legal," Hayes said. Anyway, "the FBI is not a chartered organization." (A check with the Library of Congress shows that, in fact, the FBI is not chartered. As such, laws related to, and convictions based on, "lying to the FBI" are apparently not valid, for no such chartered organization exists. The correctness of this argument, based on lack of charter, has been upheld in court cases involving the FBI in Massachusetts and Vermont. In addition, since the FBI, as a subdivision of the Department of Justice, is larger than the DoJ itself, Federal law bars FBI employees from receiving benefits. FBI agents who currently receive benefits are thus apparently in violation of Federal law, and could properly be required to return the money.) Hayes accused the DoJ of theft, saying they owed him money stemming from the largest gem seizure in U.S. history. (This appeared to be in reference to Indictment No. 86-44, U.S. vs. Antonio Carlos A Calvares, Mauricio Alcides Kruger, Mark Edward Lewis, Empresa Brasileira de Mineracao Imp e Exp. Ltda., filed Dec. 3, 1986, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky. Charles Hayes personally delivered gems with an appraised value of $1.3 million. Customs Form 4655, Receipt for Seized Goods, dated July 25, 1985, for goods delivered by Charles Hayes is signed by Paul E. Carpenter. A similar receipt on July 28 is signed by George F. Fritz, Special Agent, witnessed by John D. Morton, RAC. The total seizure in the case involved more than $10 million in property. Under 18 USC 371, 542, 545, Hayes says, he is entitled to *mordi*--this being typically 25 percent of the total seizure, but a minimum of 10 percent.) More relevant to the Inslaw case, is the fact that in August 1990, Charles Hayes purchased used Justice Department computers and peripheral equipment (Lot 097 from the U.S. attorney's office in Lexington, Kentucky) for salvage for $45, and found on them copies of the pirated PROMIS software, as well as sealed grand jury indictments, and the names of Justice Dept. informants. The General Accounting Office found the Justice Department's sale of computers from which it had not erased sensitive information alarming, noting, "The error may have put some informants, witness and undercover agents in a 'life-and-death' situation." The Justice Department, having sold Hayes the equipment, subsequently seized it under warrant-- apparently to prevent its being used as evidence in the Inslaw case. But Hayes subsequently sued and got the equipment back, plus a undetermined settlement amount. (This case is discussed, albeit somewhat incompletely and inaccurately, in David Burnham, Above the Law: Secret Deals, Political Fixes, and Other Misadventures of the U.S. Department of Justice, Scribner, New York, 1996). In the April 2, 1996, deposition, Justice attorney Beth Cook seemed unaware that the Justice Department was under Congressional order from the Brookes Committee on the Judiciary (see [1]) to cease the sale of pirated software, not to mention hard drives containing confidential information. Similar restrictions have been placed on the IRS which, from its Martinsburg, West Virginia, central record depository, sold some 40,000 pounds of used computer disks containing the tax records of thousands of U.S. citizens--records of considerable interest to credit bureaus, organized crime, and foreign intelligence organizations. When asked how he felt just prior to the deposition, Hayes said, "Great, Kentucky's No. 1," referring to the previous night's championship win over Syracuse by the University of Kentucky basketball team. About the only thing that Hayes didn't accuse the DoJ of in his April 2 deposition was murder. Others are not so kind. In its Addendum to INSLAW's ANALYSIS and REBUTTAL of the BUA REPORT, dated February 14, 1994, Inslaw notes with respect to the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations (OSI): "OSI's publicly- declared mission is to locate and deport Nazi war criminals. The Nazi war criminal program is, however, a front for the Justice Department's own covert intelligence service, according to disclosures recently made to INSLAW by several senior Justice Department career officials . . . According to written statements of which INSLAW has obtained copies, another undeclared mission of the Justice Department's covert agents was to insure that investigative journalist Danny Casolaro remained silent about the role of the Justice Department in the INSLAW scandal by murdering him in West Virginia in August 1991." Is the U.S. Department of Justice just another tenacle of the Octopus? If so, then what is the meaning of the phrase "with liberty and justice for all"? Footnotes [1] The Inslaw case was the subject of a Congressional report: *The Inslaw Affair: Investigative Report by the Committee on the Judiciary*, Jack Brookes, Chairman, House Report 102-856, U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, 1992. See also: Mahar, Maggie, "Beneath Contemp: Did the Justice Dept. Deliberately Bankrupt INSLAW," Barron's National Business and Financial Weekly, March 21, 1988. Mahar, Maggie, "Rogue Justice: Who and What Were Behind the Vendette Against INSLAW?", Barron's National Business and Financial Weekly, April 4, 1988. Martin, Harry V., "Federal Corruption: Inslaw", The Napa Sentinel, a series of articles with various titles beginning March 15, 1991 and extending through March 19, 1993. Fricker, Richard L., "The Inslaw Octopus," Wired, #4, 1993. Bua, Nicolas J., Report of Special Counsel Nicholas J. Bua to the Attorney General of the United States Responding to the Allegations of INSLAW, Inc., March 1993 Inslaw, Inc., INSLAW's ANALYSIS and REBUTTAL of the BUA REPORT, July 1993. Inslaw, Inc., Addendum to INSLAW's ANALYSIS and REBUTTAL of the BUA REPORT, February 14, 1994 [2] In addition to the sources mentioned in footnote [1], the death of Danny Casolaro is explored in: Connolly, John, "Dead Right," Spy Magazine, January 1993. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMWYzlmX1Kn9BepeVAQE4wgP9E+2SBTtYTqOSiczST2RuvJxK9gMrBsVe ZkYyRTwQU+0AV0hJ9C8ZaYaKB0EuegXDb8wRagY/cQI3J951oXRe0trT/wUa4Jk6 ruwXw6Jh8GxuoBgV4tMb1xmS1szs4CGboxoCkIRL+QMelyGbD/FrAqP1cAKla8ao A7/n+zPQ+ZA= =NX0H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 89 Chuck Hayes, whistleblower on insider skullduggery, misses his Value Jet flight, which then explodes in mid-air; Bob Dole startles us all by suddenly abandoning his powerful Senate position; and Bill Clinton is seen wiping a little tear from his eye: Hey. What's going on? From: revcoal@pcnet.com Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: [FreeSpeech-NewsWire] Angel of Death (fwd) Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 06:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Organization: Some Valuejet speculations, FWIW.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 21:14:44 -0400 (EDT) From: 3rdi@pinn.net To: New Paradigms Discussion Subject: [FreeSpeech-NewsWire] Angel of Death (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 17:31:40 -0700 (MST) From: Free Speech To: fsnw-l@freespeechnews.com Subject: [FreeSpeech-NewsWire] Angel of Death Note: I do not necessarily endorse the conspiracy theory that will inevitably flow from the following. 1. AoD has more envelopes to deliver. 2. AoD misses ValueJet flight. 3. ValueJet now reported as having been crippled by an explosion. 4. Dole announces resignation from Senate. No doubt this comment will make some of you angry, but what the hey... You don't suppose someone slipped ole Bob a plain white envelope, do you? Since we know he can't beat Clinton, what more honorable way to fade into the sunset with his $7 million pension? Sorry, but the thought just won't go away. Cheers, Kit ------------------------------------- Libertarians do it freely, but not without charge. __________________________ kit@tcd.net 05/15/96 10:43:00 ------------------------------------------- From: Tenega@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 09:53:06 -0400 To: capmicro@inxpress.net Subject: Re: AoD Hayes has been preoccupied with other matters lately, but says he is getting ready to deliver another batch of envelopes. Curiously, he and a colleague had tickets to fly out of Miami on that crashed ValueJet DC9. They got stuck in a restaurant too long and decided to take a later flight. Lucky for them. JN ------------------------------------------- From: Tenega@aol.com Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:43:29 -0400 To: capmicro@inxpress.net Subject: Re: AoD Hayes and colleague saw news reports of the ValuJet crash while sitting in the restaurant, drove to nearby AFB (Homestaed?), borrowed a Wigen (seaplane that Hayes is very family with flying) and took an airboat and other investigators to the crash scene that afternoon. From the beginning, they suspected an explosion. JN From: steve@linex2.linex.com Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: (Fwd) PIML 96051604 - Dole and Angel of Death Hayes Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 15:55:40 -0700 Organization: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 13:51:12 -0500 To: emailwru@aol.com From: Bill Utterback Subject: PIML 96051604 - Dole and Angel of Death Hayes PIML 96051604 / Posted to Patriot Information Mailing List: [The following are unverified scraps of conversations picked up on the net. Read and ponder.] PIML Who is Hayes? He is supposedly either one of, or a contact person for, "The Fifth Column", a group of ex-CIA computer hackers who have become so torqued off about corruption in the government that they have started their own crusade against it. Supposedly they were able to acquire their own Cray Supercomputer (rumored to be the one that had been in Clark Air Force Base, it was air cooled) which they keep in a semi-tractor trailer and move around at random intervals. They have been getting the goods on corrupt politicians, and sending them envelopes containing all the information on their favorite Swiss bank accounts with transactions to and from. Included in the envelope is a little letter which requests that they resign or the information will be made public. Allegedly this is the reason there have been so many resignations from Congress lately. Now, the only part of this that I *can* verify is that there have been a lot of people resigning from Congress lately. I have seen Hayes get articles in some of the alternative media publications (I think Media Bypass may have done a story on him). If even part of all that is true, then there would be a lot of people who would have a lot of reasons to make sure that Mr. Hayes ceased his activities. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Some of my headers necessarily get somewhat cryptic due to space limitations. But it looks like the "Angel of Death" had tickets on the Valu-Jet plane that crashed out of Miami. Lucky for him he got delayed at a restaurant, huh? ------------------------------------------------------------------ An explosion in the cargo hold is now reported as a possible cause of the Valu-Jet crash. Note: I do not necessarily endorse the conspiracy theory that will inevitably flow from the following. 1. AoD has more envelopes to deliver. 2. AoD misses ValueJet flight. 3. ValueJet now reported as having been crippled by an explosion. 4. Dole announces resignation from Senate. ------------------------------------------------------------------ You don't suppose someone slipped ole Bob a plain white envelope, do you? Since we know he can't beat Clinton, what more honorable way to fade into the sunset with his $7 million pension? Sorry, but the thought just won't go away. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Hayes has been preoccupied with other matters lately, but says he is getting ready to deliver another batch of envelopes. Curiously, he and a colleague had tickets to fly out of Miami on that crashed ValueJet DC9. They got stuck in a restaurant too long and decided to take a later flight. Lucky for them. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Hayes and colleague saw news reports of the ValuJet crash while sitting in the restaurant, drove to nearby AFB (Homestaed?), borrowed a Wigen (seaplane that Hayes is very family with flying) and took an airboat and other investigators to the crash scene that afternoon. From the beginning, they suspected an explosion. * Patriot Information Mailing List * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact. From: KALLISTE@delphi.com Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: Saint Colby & the Fifth Column Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 00:35:30 -0500 (EST) Organization: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Saint Colby and the Fifth Column by J. Orlin Grabbe When I first heard of William Colby's capsized canoe and disappearance near his place on the Wicomico River, I thought, "Well, maybe he won't be ragging on Jim Norman and me anymore." It was of course absurd that Norman and I had ever registered on Colby's radar screen in the first place. We were small fry: Norman was an unemployed journalist recently fired from Forbes Magazine, while I was rumored to be an ex-academic suffering a bad case of sunstroke. Norman and I had met through the dead mediation of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster. In my peregrinations as a banking consultant, I had come across the fact of the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) spying on domestic banking transactions, had thought this a bit too Big Brotherly for my tastes, and had written an essay entitled The End of Ordinary Money about the uses of the monetary system for surveillance. Jim Norman, a Senior editor at Forbes, had written about the same NSA covert project, pointing out that Vince Foster was one of its overseers on behalf of a Little Rock software firm. Norman's research pointed to another explosive issue, namely that at the time of Foster's death both Foster and Hillary Clinton were under counterintelligence investigation for selling U.S. secrets to the Israelis. When Norman and I met in Reno, Nevada, I learned about one of his sources--the point man of a group called the Fifth Column. This person, Chuck Hayes, had a nice computer and could do some neat tricks with it-- things in some specific areas in which I was looking to educate myself. Hayes, meanwhile, had heard about my essay The End of Ordinary Money, which I had published on the Internet. Hayes, ex-CIA, got a copy from the CIA library, and liked it. Hayes and I hit it off right away, discovering an overlap of mutual interests. For several years the Fifth Column had searched computer data bases, including foreign bank accounts, looking for evidence of political bribery, kickbacks, and related subversion of the U.S. Constitution and political process. They had uncovered the financial information concerning the Foster/Clinton espionage. They had also transferred millions of dollars from politically-related illegal accounts at off-shore banks in the Cayman Islands, Switzerland, and elsewhere to a holding account at the U.S. Federal Reserve. Jim Norman wrote an article Fostergate for Forbes magazine about all this, an article which was cleared by the magazine's fact-checkers and lawyers, but at the last minute killed by Steve Forbes, through the urging of Caspar Weinberger, former Defense Secretary and Chairman of the Board of Forbes, Inc. I promised Norman that I would publicize his article through the Internet, and began a series on Vince Foster. The series also allowed me to raise the issues I had discussed in The End of Ordinary Money in a different way. The series generated a large Internet audience, including not only sympathizers to the cause of uncovering the cover-up, but also small coteries of others with counteragendas--including White House disinformation specialists, NSA email and usegroup monitors, and a myriad of others bent on establishing territorial rights to pieces of the story. One example of the latter was Daniel Brandt, a researcher who made his living off the CIA by selling a database of undigested articles mostly critical of it. Brandt had identified "information warfare" as a new ploy to justify old intelligence budgets, and hence reports of the Fifth Column by Norman and me had to be part of this campaign. After all, Norman referred to Fifth Column members as "CIA hackers", and they were reported to be up to something good, so the story must be propaganda since everyone knew that organization never did anything worthwhile. Brandt then identified the ultimate source of all this "Fifth Column" disinformation as probably the "well-connected" Jack Wheeler, "a right-wing adventurer" and contributor to Strategic Investment (SI), whom I apparently gullibly believed. Neither my friend Wheeler nor I could think of any good reason why I would be getting information about computers or banking from Wheeler, but this theory apparently made sense to Brandt. (For the record, Wheeler is not "right-wing", whatever that is supposed to mean. He is philosophically a libertarian, although he was once head of Youth for Reagan, a conservative organization. Wheeler had come to admire Reagan when he heard a speech in which Reagan said, "There is no Left or Right. There is only Up or Down: Up toward liberty or Down toward tyranny." As far as connections, I assume Wheeler has a few, stemming from the time his grandfather was chief bodyguard to four successive U.S. Presidents--from Teddy Roosevelt to Warren Harding.) But over at SI, Brandt's view was supported by William Colby, among others. I don't profess to know how much Colby was actually consulted with respect to SI editorial policy, but Colby was known to support the view that "Foster was killed but he wasn't a spy." (In Colby's own case, this view would be simply inverted: "Colby was a spy, but he wasn't killed.") Moreover, there was no Fifth Column and no high-level source would admit to having ever heard of this Chuck Hayes--hence Hayes was just another liar and huckster with a hidden agenda of his own. Colby, of course, knew very well who Hayes was, but had reasons to pretend otherwise. The most obvious one may relate to the circumstances by which Colby was removed as CIA director in 1977, an action in which Hayes was involved. But the more probable reason had to do with political turf, for it would become abundantly clear Colby was not in sympathy with the activities of the Fifth Column, as Colby himself had a little piece of the U. S. political process for sale. SI relentless pursued the notion that the death of Vince Foster was not a suicide. It specialized in highlighting the ease by which the gaping holes in the official story could be exposed. But ultimately it could provide its readers no explanation for the continuance of the cover-up, because it initially rejected the true explanation: namely that at the time of his death Vince Foster was under counterintelligence investigation for selling U.S. secrets to Israel. Thus SI was not in a position to explain to its readers why the Whitewater Committee under Alfonse D'Amato would supposedly accept the Foster suicide verdict at face value. The simple explanation was that doing so allowed D'Amato to take on Bill Clinton through the Whitewater investigation without at the same time having to antagonize his constituents by pursuing a line of inquiry destined to expose a can of worms relating to Israel. Yes, the Foster murder cover-up was an easy sham to see through. But no one wanted to bear the burden of doing so officially. There were other people, naturally, who had different reasons for going along with this scenario of events, unrelated to issues of national security. British journalist Ambrose Evans-Pritchard would dump on the story by ludicrously claiming that a Swiss account number found on a paper from the trunk of Barry Seal's car (an account that turned out to have Caspar Weinberger's name attached to it) was really an aircraft number--thus providing one more reason not to believe those Jim Norman articles about plundered Swiss accounts. But then Evans-Pritchard had carried the information around for some time, in blissful ignorance of what he had. After all, the record from Seal was a series of letters--so how it could be a Swiss "numbered" account? Meanwhile, William Colby told Washington journalist Sarah McClendon and others that Colin Powell would be the Republican nominee for President. But Colby wasn't able to subsequently explain Powell's failure to stand for office. After all, since the Fifth Column was a mythical entity, and the tales of political retirements inspired by financial disclosure was disinformation, then naturally the packets of financial information that were in fact delivered to Powell could have no bearing on Powell's political decisions. (The packets were said to have detailed millions of dollars of undeclared jewelry received from Kuwait, a stash of gold bars representing payoffs from military deals, and involvement in an arms network that does not hesitate to deal in proscribed products such as plutonium or to plunder U.S. military bases for goods in hot demand on the world market.) But after Colby's death, how quickly he became Saint Colby. Rumors ran amuck. Since his death followed shortly on the heels of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown's, surely a common hand was involved in both. Since Colby was the man who had revealed the CIA's family jewels in the 1977 congressional probe into intelligence activities, surely he was now dead for whistle-blowing of the same noble sort. Since Colby was an SI editor, and SI was a publication that relentlessly investigated the Vince Foster murder, surely Colby was a martyr to the cause of truth. Publications that had not heretofore acknowledged the existence of the Fifth Column now breathlessly reported that it "cannot be ruled out" that Colby was the head of it. The rush to deification was all quite nauseating. Yes, there was definitely a Ron Brown connection, for at the time of Brown's death Colby was working with Brown in representing the interests of Vietnam to the U.S. This hardly shores up the argument for sainthood. Even those convinced a change in U.S. policy toward Vietnam is mandatory might wonder about the propriety of an ex-head of U.S. intelligence representing the interests of a foreign power. This is reinforced by the Brown association, since Brown himself reportedly asked Vietnam to deposit $700,000 in a bank account for his personal use as the quid pro quo for considering their requests for reconciliation. Colby had made his reputation as head of the Vietnam-War era Phoenix project which had used computer data bases to track political "enemies" in Vietnam, many of whom were then targeted for assassination. The ruthlessness he showed there was not all that different from the ruthlessness he later showed toward ex-colleagues when it came time to cover his ass before congressional investigators. Colby's whistle- blowing was dictated by necessity, not choice. Colby may have simply fallen out of his canoe and drowned. But if he was given a little nudge, one suspects he was out of line with respect to his foreign entanglements. And one seriously doubts the hands involved were the same as those involved in the death of Ron Brown. Ron Brown was after all (as I reported in "Ron Brown's Loose Lips Seal His Fate") a threat to his business colleagues, and he met his fate as a result of a bomb triggered by a descending detonator aboard his plane. Information about the bomb on Brown's plane has already been released to British papers by MI6. Meanwhile, the damage control minions in the U.S. are desperately trying to see that the true story doesn't bleed back here overseas. Fat chance. Unlike the Fifth Column, which has used information to expose political corruption, Colby was seemingly indifferent to the corrupt uses of information itself. In any event he wasn't around when the Fifth Column delivered a packet of information to Senator Bob Dole on Monday, May 13. On Wednesday, Dole then dramatically announced his resignation from the Senate to run full-time for President on a non-existent campaign budget, in the apparent presumption of a receiving a Republican nomination that will not come his way. But don't be surprised if equally dramatic and convoluted decisions are announced by the Clintons in the near future. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMaAVkWX1Kn9BepeVAQHDOwP/agrLKUKgt97N5rEKUy9rglIgXs7z40Cp 2+ruMkDGPy+YNkperTcKzzf2P+CtV9+AfIG/MXr+36N99ovyhRiT54UpW5FXOH5a jJ2/kyrC+bks402TxImA/YdZwN2EaMYMnvnbirjdleZF9DXBIOfl7lc42SQnjSAg I8wAol/fuq4= =iAPr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From: steve@linex2.linex.com Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: (Fwd) Fwd: Re: What about Boorda? Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 11:48:44 -0700 Organization: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 18:25:09 -0700 From: dcox@ix.netcom.com (DANNY COX) Reply-to: iufo@xbn.shore.net To: Multiple recipients of list IUFO Subject: Fwd: Re: What about Boorda? I have seen a couple of posts concerning the "angel of death" on this list, so I am providing the following update. The following message is from Jim Norman (Tenega) and is directed to Sussman, owner of the cs list. Jim Norman originally published the story about the angel of death/fifth column in a publication of very limited circulation called "Media Bypass", as I recall. Norman orginally wrote the article when he was working for "Forbes" magazine, a year or two ago. Forbes initially planned to publish the article, but it was cancelled on orders from top management. Norman continued to research the story and eventually lost his job at "Forbes". Hayes and associates are the "angels of death" or "5th column", and they are supposedly current or former members of the intelligence commumity who have tracked illegal payments (bribes) to politicians and are forcing them to resign in order to avoid public disclosure of their crimes. From: Tenega@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:03:39 -0400 To: djsussma@oakland.edu Subject: Re: What about Boorda? One of Hayes' guys delivered Dole an evelope on Monday, upon which Dole, on the spot, agreed to resign from office. Don't know waht was in the envelope. But apparently is was material OTHER THAN Swiss bank account data. The stuff about Elixabeth Dole's Swiss account is another shoe still to drop. Impliation is taht if Dole ever gets very high in the polls, it will be delivered before the election. I'm waiting to get a copy of Hayes' ticket stub from the ValuJet flight. He and a companion, (another intelligence community veteran and explosives expert), had flown to Miami to sell an airplane and had planned to come back to Ky via Atlanta on ValuJet. Their tickets would have allowed them to travel on any flight that day, I think. But they had planned to take the ill-fated flight. They were delayed, decided to have lunch and take a later flight. While at the restaurant, they apparently saw a TV report of the crash. Hayes tends to discount the idea that the disaster had anything to do with his possible travel on theat flight. Yes, he says, his name wuld have shown up on a preliminary passenger list. But would not appear on the actual manifest, since he didn't make the flight. As to Boorda: Hayes says that was just a matter of personal tragedy. Boorda was about to be relieved of his command over the series of fu**-ups by the Navy in recent months, from Tailhook to plane crashes to prostitution and car theft rings being run out of the Naval Academy. No Fifth Col. factor, however. JN ~ From: al@powergrid.electiriciti.com Reply-To: SNETNEWS@XBN.SHORE.NET Subject: Re: PIML 96052103 - Still More Hayes/Angels of Death Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 12:07:06 -0700 Organization: As a note of interest, Forbes cancelled the story on the fifth column because their publisher emeritus was Casper Weinberger (I'm pretty sure it was him)-- one of those that had his Swiss account hacked. Jim Norman was given a blind Swiss bank account number by Hayes to check their story out. Norman was able to determine that, in fact, that account had been hacked and several million dollars returned to the US treasurey. Hayes claimed it was done because the person in question had sold information to the Israelis. Without finding out who the account belonged to, Norman sent the story upstairs. The story came back dead and Norman was offered a good severance package, or leave without pay. He chose to go (of course). I'm dieing to read the book. Does anyone know if its out yet and what it is called? By the way, the CIA backs Clinton (he has worked for them since college in England) and I suspect the fifth column wouldn't hit Dole to support the Company like that. The CIA has done everything it could to hurt Dole, including making sure Gringrich couldn't campaign for him in the primaries and has to take a very limited role now -- but that's another story. Alijandra 960523 Jim & Orlin-- Who is the "Angel of Death"? Is this the same guy who found a bunch of secret files concerning Confidential Informants on some used computer junk a couple years ago? At the time it was merely amusing, and I did not keep a note of it. I did not even write down the name. I do remember that he was keeping the junk in the old Nancy, Kentucky, schoolhouse. But there is no "Charles Hayes" at Nancy in the phone book. Nancy is just across the lake from me. OK, it is a big lake, but it is still only an hour's drive. One of my research projects is the involvement of police, lawyers, judges, politicians, bankers, prison guards, spooks, and other social predators in the enormously profitable illegal drug business. Is this fellow worth talking to? The CIA seems to be a major player in the drug corruption. Is Chuck Hayes protecting or exposing this?? David P Beiter .=-. byter@mcimail.com .-=. Geochemist _..-'( jascii@highland.net )`-.._ CAVE, Inc ,/./'-'.]]]\\. (\_/) .//[[[.`-`\.\, Monticello ./.'i]'.].]]]]]\\:. )o o( .://[[[[[.[.`[i`.\. 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JN Date: Sun May 26, 1996 1:58 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 97 The following is brought to you thanks, in part, to the kind assistance of CyberNews and the fine folks at Cornell University. Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 97 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- U.S. SELLS SECRET DATA TO CHARLES HAYES ======================================= *New York Times*, NATIONAL, Sunday, Sept. 2, 1990 (p. 25) "U.S. Mistakenly Sold a Prosecutor's Secret Data" Pikeville, Ky., Sept. 1 (AP) -- A United States Attorney's secret computer files, including electronic copies of sealed indictments and information about pending F.B.I. inquiries, were mistakenly sold by the Government a month ago to a businessman who paid $45 for what he thought was only broken computer equipment. The Justice Department now says the sale could compromise any number of criminal cases, and it has sued the businessman to get the data back. The businessman, Charles Hayes, who resells Government surplus items, says that he would like to cooperate but that the equipment he bought, and various parts from it, have now been mixed with his previous inventory and so he is no longer sure which is which. He says he is trying to determine which of his customers may have bought some of the equipment, but he is resisting the Government's demand that he identify those customers, terming it an unwarranted intrusion into his business. -+- A Search of His Business -+- The Government finds Mr. Hayes's attitude insufficiently forthcoming. In addition to the lawsuit, which was filed Thursday, Federal marshals armed with a search warrant arrived Friday night at his establishment in Pulaski County, about 125 miles west of here. By the time they had left nine hours later, they had seized what Mr. Hayes described today as nine computer terminals, a computer memory device and assorted other equipment. According to the Government's lawsuit, the case stems from a mistake made last January when a technician for the Harris-Lanier Corporation, the manufacturer of the system that Mr. Hayes would later buy, arrived at the office of the United States Attorney in Lexington, Louis DeFalaise. The system, in disrepair, was to be sold at auction, and the technician was supposed to erase the computer's memory. In July, at an auction of the General Services Administration, Mr. Hayes made a successful bid of $45 for the system: 13 computer terminals, two central memory units, two cartridge module drives and nine printers. After Mr. Hayes picked up the equipment on Aug. 3, the Harris-Lanier technician told the Government that he had not erased the memory after all; A magnetic probe used to scramble the data had been too weak, and, because the equipment was broken, technicians had been unable to purge the memory through normal computer commands. The Government's lawsuit says that the computer's memory and backup storage tapes almost certainly still contain sensitive details about informers who work for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, about sealed indictments, about federally protected witnesses and about employees in Mr. DeFalaise's office. -+- "Irreparable Injury" -+- "The U.S. Attorney's office," the lawsuit says, "used some or all of the computer equipment to prepare and store virtually every document and record generated by both the civil and criminal divisions of the office from 1983 to 1989." If made public, the suit goes on, the files could ruin criminal investigations and cause "great harm and irreparable injury" to the work of Federal prosecutors. "The seriousness of the injury to the United States of America cannot be understated," it says. Within hours of the lawsuits filing, a Federal district judge, Eugene Siler Jr., ordered Mr. Hayes to return the computer system to the Government and not examine, copy or distribute the data. A hearing has been set for Tuesday. Mr. Hayes said he had been told before he bought the equipment that the computer memory had been wiped out. He called the sale "the worst case of bureaucracy I have ever seen," and added, "If it is this loose, I wonder what else is missing up there" in the Office of the United States Attorney. "What it amounts to," he said, "is I am being punished for the inefficiency" in the prosecutor's office. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe cn-l My Name" to listproc@cornell.edu (Note: that is "CN-L" *not* "CN-1") ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the improved Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigred@shout.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more about Whitewater, Oklahoma City bombing, etc? 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Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 8 Num. 17 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- SOME OBSERVATIONS ON THE NON-NEWS ================================= By J. Orlin Grabbe ------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Some Observations on the Non-News by J. Orlin Grabbe The most notable feature of the current state of journalism in the U.S. is the total dereliction of duty on the part of national political reporters. More than fifty congresscritters, senators, and state governors have announced their retirements in the past year, after they received packets from a group of hackers called the Fifth Column detailing illegal and unreported income from bribes, kickbacks, payoffs, and whatnot. This story of the wholesale sell-out of the U.S. political process should rank as one of the top stories of the decade. But the national media blandly reports the contrived explanations ("I just want to spend more time with my heretofore neglected family") and speculates on the sad loss of Washington country-club camaraderie that used to keep such fine people in public office forever. This lack of discernment reflects a level of stupidity that should make unsurprising the general media dismissal of the importance of Whitewater (prior to the recent convictions obtained by Kenneth Starr), the head- in-the-sand stance on the murder of Vince Foster (even though virtually all official Washington knows Foster was murdered), the gullible acceptance of the official story on the downing of Ron Brown's plane (destroyed by a bomb), the lackadaisical acceptance of Bob Dole's claimed reasons for resigning from the Senate (he got a Fifth Column packet two days before the announcement), the air-head discussions of the coming "Clinton-Dole" election battle (as though there is going to be any such thing), and the "smell of roses" interpretation of the putrefying stench arising from almost everything the Clinton administration touches. To be sure, some journalists have picked up part of the story. But often they have pursued the partial picture with a monomania that has turned their entire effort into a circus sideshow. One example is that of Ambrose Evans- Pritchard and Chis Ruddy who, while still trying to convince who-knows-whom that the death of Vince Foster was not a suicide, managed to acquire a Pet Witness to the disposal of Foster's body at Ft. Marcy Park--a witness whom they paraded forth with fanfare, accompanied by tales of swarthy Middle-Eastern lurkers who scowled fiercely in broad daylight (a staged event effective in impressing naive journalists). When the Special Prosecutor, Kenneth Starr, failed to drop everything he was doing and devote himself to enhancing these journalist's own sense of self-importance, he became, naturally, part of the cover-up. But Starr wisely continued to follow his mandate to untangle Whitewater-related malfeasance on the part of the Clintons, and left the sideshow antics to these misguided journalists who hadn't a clue as to what was going on. Starr, after all, knew what he was doing. (Although, to be sure, it took Starr a while to realize that the FBI was out and about intimidating his own witnesses, a fact Ruddy was to point out.) The goal of the FBI in all this has been to keep reporters in a state of somnambulism. But last week Louis Freeh suddenly discovered his bread wasn't buttered on the side of Bill Clinton, announcing that the White House request for FBI files on prominent Republicans and others outside the Clinton administration had been totally inappropriate. The White House made a statement that the whole thing was really just the fault of some Clinton underling operating out-of-control as usual. Freeh's statement meanwhile leaves unexplained why the FBI turned over the 400-plus files to the White House in the first place. Freeh's stated 400-plus number of files upped the ante from the White House's admitted 300-plus number. It also illustrates that the FBI can't count, or can't tell the whole truth, since the actual number is 900-plus, as has been verified by anyone who has bothered to download the same set of files from the FBI computer, such as that other government agency that is looking into the matter. Maybe Bernie Nussbaum took the rest of the files home, just to make sure the wrong people didn't read them. Freeh of course is coming off the PR high of having ended the Freemen siege without bloodshed. But his problems in Montana aren't over. There is the little matter of Montana FBI agents involved in drug dealing. The Canadian-Montana border is now the principal point of entry of illegal drugs coming into the U.S. Montana is awash in them. A series of clandestine airfields stretches across the state. Naturally the journalists covering the Freemen picked up none of this bigger story right under their noses. Big names are involved in the drug operation, including the soon-to-be-indicted Governor of Montana. Another name that surfaces in the Montana operation is that of ex-President George Bush. Bush's indiscretions are beginning to catch up with him. This past week he took a trip to Bern, Switzerland, together with Colin Powell, who is not running for President. It seems that an arms deal between the two of them went sour when a relevant account at the local bank turned up missing $75 million dollars. In panic mode they flew over to try to patch things up. Hope you two boys remembered to smile a lot: You were on candid camera. Maybe you should try something legal for a change? Others are more overt in their criminality. Jackson Stephens, Don Tyson, and Richard Mellon Scaife recently pooled their pocket change and put out a $100,000 contract on the Angel of Death. They farmed it out to the New Orleans Syndicate. The breakdown is reportedly $50,000 by Stephens, and $25,000 each by Tyson and Scaife. This makes the second time the lying Jackson Stephens has hired an assassin this year ("I've learned my lesson," he said, after the first one, Pablo, was put on a plane back home). But I hear the CIA, which has never really had anything against the corrupt politicians targeted by the Angel of Death--after all they're much easier to manipulate than the honest kind--has finally decided to get on the right side of things. Say, Jack, what about that dead body found lying in your backyard last week? You don't suppose it was the chickenshit coming home to roost, do you? As they say, payback is hell. As if it weren't enough dealing with the criminals, there are also the forces of law 'n order (if you want to call them that) to worry about. Janet Reno sends word that the Justice Dept. will leave the Angel of Death alone if he will leave the Justice Dept. alone. It's an interesting proposition: sort of like that of a pugilist who walks down the street and punches a random passerby in the face, then immediately announces, "Let's call a truce." Ms. Reno, as one Harvard graduate to another I take your word Justice didn't have anything to do with destroying my private email and Usenet postings of Hackers versus Politicians, Part II. You blamed the X2 division of NSA. Well, what about the actions of X2? This is apparently the new Standard of Excellence at Justice: As long as we don't commit any crimes ourselves, we're doing okay. One consolation is that X2 found those little TCP/IP packets formed from Hackers versus Politicians extremely toxic. Secret contents created a cancer in the NSA computers that devoured them. Some NSA computers were fried from mysterious voltage surges. Others caught fire in thermite-like reactions. NSA attributed these problems to an Act of God. This in itself shows where NSA stands in the Divine Hierarchy. One cannot say X2's instincts were wrong. The Fifth Column has been supplying information to the Special Prosecutor from the beginning. But after Hackers versus Politicians appeared, hundreds of surprisingly professional hackers began pouring relevant information into the hands of Kenneth Starr and others. Their efforts have greatly supplemented the work of the Fifth Column. And all along Kenneth Starr has been quietly building his cases brick by brick, preparing indictments and sitting on them until the proper time, mapping out court trials, sifting through evidence, not plea bargaining when it is not necessary. In short, doing his job in a masterful manner. But you will find few journalists on the left or the right who will admit this, admit they were wrong, even after the total success of the first Whitewater trial. One assumes they will hold firm, even after Bill Clinton resigns. Being a journalist, after all, means never having to say you are sorry. June 17, 1996 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMccYEmX1Kn9BepeVAQFCpAQAkScApjx6tS2wdkCllqHQ3XwKOwDIDihb MRaTdzEdryuaA/5jPJKk9FKMAWZ5+zZ6G51vHZqkecTVApP+uH12lpX4e+5uLRNt e1dlcSIPNlR8+UU33RsC4NamZWy27sQT9GN+6IbvMM/4mr1WmglKqHdFwmdtfIe6 nH+2RclQjJg= =iA/8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + I neither necessarily agree nor disagree with either all or parts of the preceeding. For further background, visit Orlin Grabbe archives at ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred/og -- Brian Francis Redman Editor-in-Chief Conspiracy Nation ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe cn-l My Name" to listproc@cornell.edu (Note: that is "CN-L" *not* "CN-1") ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the improved Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigred@shout.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more about Whitewater, Oklahoma City bombing, etc? (1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.europa.com/~johnlf/cn.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Date: Fri Oct 25, 1996 12:09 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Angel of Death Arrested (fwd) *caveat lector*. This means, "reader beware." In other words, it is up to the reader to form her/his own judgements as to the following. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:10:17 -0500 (EST) From: KALLISTE@delphi.com Subject: Angel of Death Arrested Angel of Death Arrested by J. Orlin Grabbe The Justice Department doesn't like it when you mess with their stolen software, in particular the PROMIS system appropriated from Inslaw, Inc. Chuck Hayes should know. He is currently being held without bond in the London, Kentucky jail. All based on the tale of an unidentified, undercover FBI agent. FBI agents, of course, always tell the truth. Hayes had his first run-in with the Justice Department in August 1990 when he purchased lot 097 of used computer equipment from the office of the U.S. attorney in Lexington, Kentucky. He discovered copies of the PROMIS software and all sorts of official records, such as the identity of people who had been placed in the federal witness protection program. When Hayes informed the Justice Department of their sloppy security, their reaction was to seize the equipment and to try to prosecute Hayes for receiving information he shouldn't have. On October 29, 1991, District Court Judge Eugene R. Siler issued an injunction forbidding Hayes from ever "possessing, retrieving, copying, duplicating, disseminating, disposing, transferring, selling, discussing or publishing, orally or in any other manner, any information or data which was stored in any part of the computer equipment or related items" in lot 097. (The case is discussed somewhat in David Burnham's *Above the Law: Secret Deals, Political Fixes, and Other Misadventures of the U.S. Department of Justice*.) But Hayes sued and got his equipment back from the government, along with an undisclosed settlement amount (rumored to be around $80,000). In addition to Judge Siler, part of the case between the Justice Department and Hayes was heard by Judge J. B. Johnson, who is now an Appellate Judge for the Sixth Circuit. In August 1992 Hayes again testified to a Chicago grand jury with respect to the Inslaw case, but his Chicago testimony was redacted under the National Security Act. Then in April 1996, Hayes provided Inslaw attorneys with an affidavit that detailed the government's use of the stolen PROMIS software. Hayes was afterward deposed by Beth Cook of the Justice Department, who made numerous attempts to entrap Hayes into either revealing his secret grand jury testimony from Chicago, or to admit to violations of Judge Siler's order. Now Judge J. B. Johnson, curiously acting as a District Judge for the Eastern District of Kentucky, has signed a criminal complain against "Chalmer C. Hayes, also know as Chuck Hayes, also known as Charles Hayes" (Case Number 96-6101M, October 22, 1996). An indictment was obtained by Joseph L. Famularo, U.S. Attorney in Lexington, Kentucky. The timing of this complaint is curious, given that Charles Hayes' most recent activity has been to assist the Special Prosecutor Kenneth Starr draft indictments against Hillary and Bill Clinton. Indictments for several people, including Hillary, were signed by grand juries in Arkansas and New York earlier this month. According to the present criminal complaint, Hayes supposedly contracted with an undercover FBI agent to have Hayes' son killed for $5,000. (It is no secret that Hayes and his son, who has had drug addiction problems in the past, do not get along, and that there is some civil litigation pending between them over an inheritance issue.) An affidavit of FBI agent David R. Keller reports on the activities of another, undisclosed "Undercover Agent (UCA) of the FBI". This agent supposedly offered to kill Hayes son, and Hayes discussed the matter with him over an open phone line. Then Hayes conveniently sent a package of documents to the agent, using his own return address. Then this agent showed up at the Beckett Motel in Nancy, Kentucky, where Hayes lives, while on his way to Louisville to scope out the dirty deed, and Hayes gave him $100 in expenses. Finally, Hayes promised this unidentified person $5,000 to be paid a week after the hit. Now I'm a novice at these matters, and it sure sounds plausible to me that if I were going to have someone killed, I would discuss the matter over the telephone so it could be recorded, then send out incriminating documents using my own return address, and finally invite the person over to my house so all the neighbors can see the two of us spending time together. But would Hayes be this naive? Well, I've talked to him on a daily basis for a year now, and all I can say is Hayes is extremely circumspect in any phone conversation. It would seem the Department of Justice hopes to kill two birds with one stone: 1) to keep Charles Hayes locked up past the election; and 2) to shut him up with respect to the Inslaw Case and the stolen PROMIS software. And, at least for the moment, they have succeeded. October 24, 1996 Web Page: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Date: Sun Oct 27, 1996 8:54 am CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: The Metaphysics of Political Illusion (fwd) *caveat lector*. This means, "reader beware." In other words, it is up to the reader to form her/his own judgements as to the following. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:14:53 -0500 (EST) From: KALLISTE@delphi.com Subject: The Metaphysics of Political Illusion The Metaphysics of Political Illusion by J. Orlin Grabbe Micah Morrison says he's never been able to confirm Charles Hayes used to work for the CIA. That's okay. I've never been able to confirm Micah Morrison works for the *Wall Street Journal*. But he apparently gets paid for something. And most Kentucky junk dealers get their testimony redacted under the National Security Act. Because the chemical composition of ferrous oxide is now a state secret. There was a hearing today (Friday October 25) about whether bond should be set for Charles Hayes. The U.S. Attorney Joseph L. Famularo claimed Hayes was a menace to society on account of he had been writing articles under the pen name "J. Orlin Grabbe". They explained the great threat posed by "Hackers Vs. Politicians", and also discussed the literary works of Robert Louis Stevenson.. Well, that's all very interesting, because here I am-- as Charles Hayes--posting to the Internet from my jail cell. But as J. Orlin Grabbe, let me say this to you, Mr. Famularo: You are not only a kook, but, moreover--you stupid little shit--Chuck Hayes did not write one word of "Hackers Versus Politicians." I resent you attributing to another person the fruits and toil of my own efforts. But then, you work for the Justice Department, don't you, Mr. Famularo? No wonder you lie--it's in your nature. Readers may fax Mr. Joseph Famularo at 606-233- 2666 to get his explanation why Charles Hayes and J. Orlin Grabbe are the same person. Be careful what you ask him, though. Mr. Famularo is somewhat schizophrenic, and may decide that either you or he is also Charles Hayes. People are wondering what happened to the Starr indictments. Nothing. Indictments were signed earlier this month by grand juries both in New York and in Arkansas, including an indictment of Hillary Rodham Clinton. I do not know why they have not been announced, or why there has been no bail hearing for Hillary. To withhold this information from the voters is clearly playing politics. Starr shouldn't do that. You can fax Mr. Kenneth Starr at 202-514-8802 and ask him to explain what's going on. October 25, 1996 Web Page: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Date: Sun Oct 27, 1996 1:50 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 55 The following is brought to you thanks, in part, to the kind assistance of CyberNews and the fine folks at Cornell University. Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 55 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- FOCUS ON CHARLES HAYES ====================== The book from which the following is excerpted, The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro, by Kenn Thomas and Jim Keith, will be available in late November from Feral House, POB 3466, Portland, OR 97208. One person who might have had a view of how PROMIS works was Charles Hayes. Newspapers identified Hayes as a salvage dealer in Pulaski County, Kentucky, near the temporary home of Ari Ben- Menashe in Lexington, who purchased $45 worth of surplus computer equipment from the government in July 1990. The equipment included 13 terminals, nine printers, two cartridge module drives, 19 backup cartridges and two central memory units--equipment that had been used by the US Attorney's office since 1983 to maintain information via PROMIS on the witness protection program, informants, office employees, and outstanding grand jury cases. In August, when federal officials discovered that a weak magnetic screwdriver had failed to purge this information from the equipment adequately, two FBI agents dispatched to make inquiries of Hayes were kicked out.(1) Three days later, Hayes began to cooperate with the US Attorney's office, denied that he had possession of any information that might have been on the equipment, and invited an inspection. Inspectors discovered that the serial numbers of the two cartridge modules that Hayes claimed were the ones he bought did not match the numbers of the modules the Justice Department had sold. (2) Hayes then claimed he had sold the modules, but did not name the purchasers until after federal officials filed a lawsuit.(3) Justice Department attorneys later claimed that Hayes had indeed tried to sell the secret information to an undercover informant, but criminal charges were never filed. (4) The case led to a congressional investigation of computer security; the Justice Department now tosses rather than sells its extra data storage devices. (1) Baker, David L., "Computer Records Accidentally Sold," Lexington Herald-Leader, September 1, 1990. (2) Baker, David L., "Buyer Says Agents Didn't Find Computer With Secrets," Lexington Herald-Leader, September 5, 1990. (3) "Buyer of US Computer Files To Be Disclosed," Lexington Herald-Leader, September 6, 1990. (4) Baker, David L., "US Says Pulaski Man Tried To Sell Secrets," Lexington Herald-Leader, September 22, 1990. ...and With the help of Wackenhut and the Cabazons, according to Ari Ben-Menashe, the US developed its own version of the back-door and the US and Israel began looking for a neutral company through which it could sell the program to foreign intelligence services. The company chosen for the task was Degem, a computer firm with offices in Israel, Guatemala and the South African Bantustan homeland. It had been taken over for the purpose by Robert Maxwell, the publishing mogul who drowned under mysterious circumstances in 1991. Through Maxwell's Degem, working in tandem with Brian's Hadron, the software found a home with the military regime in Guatemala, where it tracked leftist insurgents. "Even if they traveled under a false name, various characteristics, such as height, hair color, age, were fed into roadside terminals and PROMIS searched through its database looking for a common denominator. It would be able to tell an army commander that a certain dissident who was in the north three days before had caught a train, then a bus, stayed at a friend's house, and was now on the road under a different name. That's how frightening the system was." According to Ben-Menashe, PROMIS was used in South Africa to track and squelch the organizers of a strike among the black coal miners via their mandatory identity cards (5). Degem also sold PROMIS to the Soviet Union and the system was utilized by its GRU intelligence service at least until the coup against Mikhail Gorbachev. (6) (5) Oddly, a member of a congressional delegation sent on a fact- finding tour to Johannesburg at the exact moment the world's second largest platinum mine fired 20,000 black workers to end a walk-out in January 1986, was Charles Hayes of Chicago. The mine was located in the homeland of Bophuthatswana, northwest of Johannesburg ("South African Platinum Mine Fires 20,000 Blacks Over Strike," Lexington Herald Leader, January 7, 1986.) In December of that year, the Charles Hayes, who would later buy the loaded Justice Department computers but identified then as an attorney, was involved with a gemstone smuggling operation in Brazil with links to Kentucky. He represented one of the Brazilian corporations indicted by the US over the smuggling. (White, Jim, Courier-Journal, September 6, 1990.) (6) Ben-Menashe, Profits of War, p. 141. Kenn Thomas publishes Steamshovel Press, a journal that regularly examines conspiracy theories. Singles issues: $5.50 in USA; US$6.50 foreign. 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(1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Date: Tue Oct 29, 1996 1:04 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Jim Norman: On AOD Arrest (fwd) *caveat lector*. This means, "reader beware." In other words, it is up to the reader to form her/his own judgements as to the following. Jim Norman, author of the following, has worked as a professional journalist for years, his last stint being a senior editor for Forbes magazine. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 18:49:48 -0500 From: Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx To: bigred@duracef.shout.net Subject: Jim Norman: On AOD Arrest >Hayes was picked up Tuesday afternoon about 5 p.m. by three FBI agents. hey >cuffed him. No "incident." The indictment purports to claim that an >undercover agent taped conversations in which Hayes contracted the killing >of his son, then paid $100 in expenses. Attached is my opinion of the whole >thing, as spelled out in a memo to xxxxx xxxxxxxx yesterday. > >In addition to the points in my memo and Orlin's post, things that smell >really fishy: >1.) The price is awfully cheap for a professional hit. And Hayes would not >use an amateur. >2.) The payment was to be after the job was done. Unusual terms in most hits. > >My personal opinion is that the FBI fabricated the audio tapes based on >months worth of tapping Hayes' phone. (I'm sure that from his converstaions >with me alone they could pull together what looks like an incriminating >string of statements.) Eventually they would have collected enough >phraseology to concoct any sort of lurid scenario. You could wonder why >they would take such a crazy risk. But considering the stakes involved >(massive drug and arms payolla that would be severely hurt if Hayes were >allowed to continue) it was necessary. > >The good news is that Hayes has a pretty sharp criminal attorney working for >him now who has a track record of beating the FBI (and even getting an agent >fired for fabricating evidence). I'm confident he will ultimately prevail >in court. But the media slanders and damage to Chuck's credibility may >persist and cast a pall over Starr's pending indictments. Evil abounds. > >Regards, JN > >(xxxmemo attached) > >24 October 1996 >xxxxx xxxxxxxx >xxx xxxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx > >xxxxx: >Here is a copy of the federal indictment on which Chuck Hayes has been >arrested and held in jail without bond in the London (Ky) jail. I believe >this is a bogus prosecution meant for intimidation purposes. Here is why: > >1.) The timing. Hayes has been working closely with Ken Starr in drafting >the indictments against Bill and Hillary Clinton. Hayes has indicated to a >number of sources that those indictments will, in fact, come down BEFORE the >election. Hayes himself would very well be a primary witness against the >Clintons, in that his Fifth Column computer hacking team has generated much >crucial banking documentation for Starr under a sanction from a high-level >U.S. intelligence agency. It was such hacked bank records (introduced in >after-hours testimony sealed under auspices of the National Security Act) >which resulted in the conviction of Jim Guy Tucker. > >2.) The circumstances described. The FBI would have the world believe that >Hayes was stupid enough to talk on an open phone line (Hayes Always assumed >it was tapped when talking to me on that line) about this stuff, to someone >he didn't know, then mail them incriminating materials with his own return >address on them, and then arrange a meeting at his own home and place of >business. Hayes may be unorthodox, even a bit crazy by our standards. But >he is NOT stupid about this stuff. > >3.) Blatant errors in the information. One that leaps out is the claim in >the affidavit that 606-636-6900 is the listed number for the Becket Motel. >Wrong. The only listed number for the motel is 606-636-6411. > >4.) Motive. It is no secret Hayes and his son (a druggie) don't get >along. There is civil litigation pending between them over an inheritance >issue. But Hayes is not THAT hard up for money (he's worth easily a couple >of million dollars) and no matter how mad he might be at John, It is utterly >implausible that he'd put out a contract to kill his own son now after all >these years of animosity, when he is on the verge of winning the inheritance >case. > >5.) Capabilities. If Hayes wanted John dead, he would have gone up there >and killed him himself or could have called on any of a dozen loyal >supporters. Hayes is certainly capable of killing. He has in the past. >But I absolutely believe this is a blatantly political prosecution by a >corrupt Dept. of Justice desperately trying to protect a gigantic illegal >money vortex of arms and drug money that has compromised the highest levels >of our government. > >6.) The DOJ wants revenge. Hayes has been kicking their ass for the past >year or more, partly through the internet postings of J. Orlin Grabbe >(http://www.aci.net/kalliste/) and through Media Bypass magazine. He also >submitted to a DoJ deposition in the Inslaw case last April that proved a >major embarassment to the government. Not to mention the drubbing he gave >DoJ in that 1990 computer salvage case (in which he bought used DoJ compuers >with pirated Inslaw software on them along with witness protection files). > >Hayes' attorney, I'm told, is one Warren Scovill, 606-878-6400. A detention >hearing on DoJ's petition that he be held without bond is set for tomorrow >at 10 a.m. in London, Ky. > >Cordially yours, > > >Jim Norman xxx xxx-xxxx (phone and fax) > > > Noti, Oregon (25 miles up the coast range from Eugene) ------------------------------ End of BackToBasics Digest ****************************** Date: Thu Oct 31, 1996 3:43 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton (fwd) *caveat lector*. This means, "reader beware." In other words, it is up to the reader to form her/his own judgements as to the following. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:17:31 -0500 (EST) From: KALLISTE@delphi.com Subject: Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton by J. Orlin Grabbe I had been out of state and only checked my answering machine from time to time. When I got back to Reno, I hit the button. There was a message from Sherman Skolnick. Robert Strauss, a well-known Democrat and head of a large law firm, had called him three times. Strauss was threatening to have Sherman arrested the next day, Monday. "Has Strauss called you?" Sherman wanted to know, when I returned the call. "No," I said. "He hasn't threatened you?" Sherman asked. "No, but if he did, I would tell him to go fuck himself," I replied. Sherman had reported that Robert Strauss had lead a delegation to the White House asking Bill Clinton to resign. I had also reported the same meeting, albeit in deliberately abbreviated form. I rarely paid any attention to Skolnick, because most of his reporting was such a mixture of truth and error, it would take more effort to separate the two than to simply conduct ones own investigation of the facts. But his account of the Strauss meeting was quite accurate. "Strauss was there, right?" Sherman seemed unsure of his sources. "Or maybe there by teleconference?" "He was there, Sherman. He broke the ashtray just like you said," I replied. I didn't tell Sherman the rest of the exchange, the part he didn't know. Clinton had told Strauss he could call the guards and have Strauss thrown out of the White House. Strauss lost his temper: "You do, and I'll break your fucking neck before they get here," he told Clinton. Two other people at the meeting stood up: "And we'll help him," they said. (There were all sorts of false reports about the meeting. John Glenn was there, but only electronically. Ted Kennedy was not present.) I told Sherman that Strauss was just blowing smoke, and even though Strauss was a hot-head, I doubted Strauss would do anything. Strauss had no legal basis for doing so: Sherman's report was accurate. And I had no reason to get involved: Strauss was doing the right thing with respect to Bill Clinton, even if he was angry Skolnick had reported the meeting. Strauss was not the villain in the story. Bill Clinton was. On Monday, August 5, shortly after the Strauss visit, Chuck Hayes had a meeting with Bill Clinton. Clinton had requested the meeting to discuss the issues Strauss had raised. Clinton and Hayes had known each other for years: Chuck Hayes had been Bill Clinton's CIA controller, after Clinton was recruited into the CIA by Cord Meyer of the London CIA station. Hayes had supervised Clinton's forays into the Soviet Union, and it was Hayes who had gotten Clinton out of not-so- infrequent trouble while Clinton served the agency. "Before I ever cross you, " Clinton once told Hayes after having had his ass redeemed, "I hope I will put a gun to my head and pull the trigger first." I talked to Hayes about the Clinton meeting while Hayes was still at the White House. He had explained to Clinton some of the evidence that had been accumulated, reinforcing what Strauss had said, and detailing numerous other projected unpleasant consequences that would accompany any decision to not resign. The timing of this meeting was early in the game, in what is now a full-scale war over Clinton's resignation. Jim Guy Tucker was singing, specifically about Mena, even while Tucker's lawyer was denying that Tucker was cooperating out of fear that Tucker would be an assassination target. Hayes, in a more practical mode, had assigned two bodyguards to watch over Tucker. In escalating the pressure on Clinton to resign, it wasn't that Hayes disliked Bill Clinton as a person. It was just that Hayes loved his country more, and wasn't going to tolerate Clinton's participation in the transformation of the U.S. into a narco-republic. It was Hayes who first alerted me to Clinton's serious cocaine habit. In the mid- 80s, in Hayes' assessment, sure, Clinton would use coke at parties, but it wasn't a daily problem. But now, Hayes said, the coke was in control. And what Hayes claimed to me about the seriousness of Clinton's cocaine habit, was confirmed both by a White House source and by personnel at Bethesda Naval Hospital. Clinton was doing "five plus" lines of coke a day. That simply meant that five lines was the *minimum* usage. And it was Hayes and an associated group of computer hackers calling themselves the "Fifth Column" that was providing much of the financial and banking evidence that Kenneth Starr needed to nail Bill Clinton to the wall. This included downloading the entire White House "Big Brother" data base (WHODB), complete with its 2045 FBI files. (The Lippo computer was also connected to the Big Brother system. Does this imply the Lippo computer was also downloaded? I would advise Mr. James Riady to choose sides carefully.) Then Dick Morris resigned and began cooperating with the Special Prosecutor. Clinton was panicked. Dick Morris knew more about Clinton's illegal financial affairs than anyone since Vince Foster (who had conveniently died). Clinton wanted to meet again with Hayes to discuss things. They agreed to a time and place. But then Clinton cancelled at the last minute, and sent a jet to pick up Hayes to take him to the new rendevous location. Hayes refused to board the plane. They finally met at an airstrip in Kentucky. Clinton had an entourage that included Leon Panetta and George Stephanopolous. Other witnesses to this meeting include the Air Force Major who tried to intercept Hayes as he approached the Presidential jet, and the member of the Kentucky State Police who acted as Hayes' bodyguard. Hayes and Clinton had a private conversation in a motel room near the airfield. Hayes began by presenting Clinton with a copy of one of my Internet posts and an article from Barron's ("Federal agency attacked as dispenser of corporate welfare," by Jim McTague, September 16, 1996). The latter article gave context to a lot of computer-generated information. "Clinton's face turned whiter the more he read," according to Hayes. Their actual conversation is confidential. But one incident that happened afterwards is not. A FEMA group showed up to talk to Hayes. Clinton recognized them. "Did you tell them you were going to be here?" Clinton asked. "No," Hayes replied. "Do you talk to them?" "Daily." "How serious are they?" Clinton wanted to know. "Deadly." Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton had got it into her head that the Clinton's problems could be made to disappear. First of all, Dick Morris--like Vince Foster-- knew too much. She had conversations with an obscure group at the National Security Agency known as I3. She discussed details of a plan to murder Dick Morris. They also planned, provided the Dick Morris hit was successful, the assassination of Chuck Hayes. But word got out about the I3 plans. The men were arrested and interrogated. Hillary's next action (see "The Dickheads Are Getting Desperate") was to send sixteen FBI and Secret Service personnel down to Kentucky to make inquiries whether there was "some way to get to that son-of-a- bitch," meaning Chuck Hayes. And, ultimately, they found the ammunition they needed: 1) a local U.S. attorney who was representing the Justice Department in its attempt to quash all evidence with respect to the theft of the PROMIS software; 2) Hayes' ex-wife and one of his sons, who were involved with Hayes in an inheritance dispute; and 3) a lying FBI, eager to deflect attention from Fifth Column evidence of FBI involvement in drug-dealing. (To Be Continued) October 30, 1996 Web Page: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ 5 Date: Fri Nov 01, 1996 9:12 am CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton II (fwd) *caveat lector*. This means, "reader beware." In other words, it is up to the reader to form her/his own judgements as to the following. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:12:54 -0500 (EST) From: KALLISTE@delphi.com Subject: Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton II Chuck Hayes Versus Bill Clinton II by J. Orlin Grabbe "Being the FBI apparently means never having to say you are sorry." --The Washington Times, October 30, 1996 "What do you say to a hero-turned-bombing-suspect you carelessly and recklessly linked to the Olympic bombing in Atlanta this summer--a man who has seen his reputation ruined from coast to coast and dawn to dusk in newspapers, magazines and on the airwaves, and for three months running has been, in effect, a prisoner in his own home? "Oops? Sorry? It was a bureaucratic snafu? "Not if you're the FBI. In that case you say, 'Unfortunately, criminal investigations often intrude upon the lives of private citizens like Mr. [Richard] Jewell and his mother' " ("The Richard Jewell treatment," The Washington Times, October 30, 1996). It's not just that the FBI can't say they're sorry. They're in the business of creating suspects and victims, in adherence to a legal Say's Law: *The supply of law enforcement creates its own demand*. FBI agents "used a ploy to try to get Jewell to waive his constitutional right to have a lawyer present while he was being questioned. . . . The agents told Jewell that he was being questioned in a mock setting in connection with a FBI training film about how to interrogate a witness. In the course of the discussion, he was asked to pretend to give up his rights by signing a waiver form" ("FBI's Interview in Bombing Investigated by Justice Dept.," The New York Times, October 30, 1996). This is the same FBI that killed Randy Weaver's family at Ruby Ridge. Afterward, a high-ranking official, E. Michael Kahoe, destroyed an internal critique of the FBI's performance in the episode. This is the same FBI whose undercover agent made an illegal interstate phone call from Alabama to Chuck Hayes in Kentucky on September 10, 1996, to discuss the killing of John Anthony Hayes, according to the affidavit of another FBI agent (Affidavit of David R. Keller, October 22, 1996). Such a phone call is in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1958. But being the FBI means you are allowed to break the law. Subsequently, the Department of Justice charged Hayes with causing this unidentified, uncover FBI agent to use the telephone in interstate commerce in violation of Title 18, Section 1958. Now if I pick up the telephone and call U.S. Attorney (and identity expert) Joseph Famularo, it is--of course--quite clear that Joseph Famularo made me do it. "Mr. Famularo, got anyone you would like me to kill for $100?" So there. Can we arrest Mr. Famularo on the spot? The thug (and identity expert) is clearly in violation of Title 18, Section 1958. This is the same FBI that gassed and burned men, women, and children at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. Of course the FBI does face a certain problem in Kentucky. It is not well-liked. For example, the Washington, D.C. FBI office sent out two cars that were specially equipped to vector in on a ground-to-satellite signal said to be eminating from time to time from an unidentified roving truck. One of these cars was driving down the freeway and mysteriously caught fire. The driver of the other car went into a restaurant and returned to find a bob cat in his vehicle. The bobcat had ripped out the interior and electrical wiring, and shit on the remains. (Apparently even animals don't like the FBI in Kentucky.) While the agent peered at the bobcat through the car window, a lady from the local humaine society showed up and threatened to have him arrested for having a wild animal in his car. (The bobcat, meanwhile, popped out the back windshield and ran away into the woods.) The car was towed away to a locked garage. But the FBI would like to blame its problems on Chuck Hayes. It has been gunning for Hayes for a long time. It was Chuck Hayes who essentially ran Louis Freeh out of a high-level intelligence meeting convened to discuss the downing of TWA 800. The meeting was being conducted by an explosive expert and friend of Hayes. Freeh kept interrupting with unconstructive political statements--asserting authority before evidence. The altercation ended with Freeh being dragged out of the meeting. No, Louis Freeh doesn't like Chuck Hayes. This is the same Louis Freeh whose FBI uploaded 2045 of its files into the White House "Big Brother" computer system, for political use by the White House. And it was Freeh's nemesis, Chuck Hayes, who testified about the 2045 files to a closed and secret committee of the U.S. House of Representatives, held without staff participation, but with an audience of eight U.S. senators. This is the same FBI who aided their informant Emad Salem in constructing the bomb that blew up at the World Trade Center in New York City on February 26, 1993 (combined report by Paul DeRienzo, Frank Morales and Chris Flash, "Who Bombed the World Trade Center?" The Shadow, Oct. 1994). This is the same FBI that is an unchartered organization--one never authorized by Congress. Thus FBI agents are simply Justice Department employees, illegally receiving benefits, illegally receiving pensions, and illegally carrying weapons. And it is not a crime to lie to the Department of Justice. If your client is in jail for lying to the FBI, I can put you in touch with the proper attorney who has a proven record in obtaining the release of such clients. This is the same FBI whose head, Louis Freeh, was terminated by the agency's payroll computer in Oklahoma on the basis that the FBI was not a chartered organization. After all, we all know that FBI files are secure and sacred, so the computer could not lie, could it? But Louis Freeh seemed to hold Chuck Hayes responsible for the incident. How could this be so, when official court records have declared that Chuck Hayes is computer illiterate? No, Louis Freeh must be blaming Charles Hayes out of pure spite. This is the same FBI that rushed to do the bidding of the White House in the Travelgate firings, doing criminal investigations of people who had just been unjustifiably terminated to make room for the friends of Bill and Hillary. This is the same FBI whose agent David R. Keller writes as follows: "I, David R. Keller, hereinafter referred to as Affiant, after having been duly sworn, states as follows: "1. That I am a Special Agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), having been so employed since July 19, 1971. . . . "2. On or about September 6, 1996, the Affiant learned from the FBI Office in Birmingham, Alabama, that Charles Hayes, who resides in Nancy, Kentucky, at the Beckett Motel, was wanting to hire a hit man to kill an individual named John Anthony Hayes who resides in Louisville, Kentucky. "3. Affiant is aware that on September 10, 1996, an Undercover Agent (UCA) of the FBI, acting in an undercover capacity, made a recorded telephone call from the State of Alabama to Hayes, in Nancy, Kentucky, at telephone number [omitted]. "During this conversation, Hayes told the UCA that he (Hayes) had been expecting a call and that the UCA may be able to help him. Hayes stated that he need it done as soon as possible and agreed to send the UCA a photograph of the victim. Hayes furnished descriptive information and background of the victim. "4. Affiant is aware that on October 4, 1996, a letter was received at the post office in Birmingham, Alabama, with a return address of P.O. Box 185, Nancy, Kentucky, and appeared to have been postmarked 9/11/96. The letter contained a photograph of the intended victim, John Anthony Hayes, and documents containing background information on Hayes including John Anthony Hayes' address and the vehicles owned by John Anthony Hayes." (Affidavit of David R. Keller, October 22, 1996). I find this chain of supposed events remarkable. First of all, the FBI affirms its undercover agent violated U.S. law by making an interstate phone call volunteering to kill someone. Then this admittedly illegal phone call is "backed up" by incriminating evidence that arrives via the speedy U.S. Post Office only 23 days later--with Hayes' return address on it! Well, that proves everything. If the letter had Chuck Hayes' return address on it, Chuck must have send the documents. And I'm sure looking forward to hearing those tape recordings containing the word "victim". In the meantime, I hope no one sends out any incriminating documents with David R. Keller's return address on them. Or Joseph Famularo's. (To Be Continued) October 31, 1996 Web Page: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Date: Sun Nov 03, 1996 8:25 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 58 The following is brought to you thanks, in part, to the kind assistance of CyberNews and the fine folks at Cornell University. Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 58 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- CHALMER "CHUCK" HAYES: MYSTERY MAN ================================== The House Select Committee's final report on its investigation of the assassination Dr. Martin Luther King describes FBI conduct toward the slain civil rights leader as "morally reprehensible, illegal, felonious, and unconstitutional." Subsequently the word was that a "new" FBI, no longer like its former self, had arrived and we could all relax. Yet the reports we've been hearing lately on this federal busybody force belie the claim of "modernity" -- whatever that's supposed to mean. Does "new" and "modern" equal "better" when it comes to the FBI? Not so. The Federal Bureau of Investigation's "new" face is no different than its "old" face -- except that its agents are now wearing nylon windbreakers bearing brazen and unashamed "FBI" lettering on the back. It's still the same bunch that "investigated" the JFK assassination; they have not changed their ways. Waco, Ruby Ridge, Malcolm X's daughter, Richard Jewell: these federal boys and girls, like Bill Clinton, just "do as they please." I know that Chalmer "Chuck" Hayes is an "ex"-CIA agent and many may figure, "Who cares what happens to CIA people?" But the point is that, like at Waco, all citizens, no matter how unsavoury they might seem, are entitled to equal protection under the law. The American Civil Liberties Union understood this principle when, in the late 1970s, they defended the right of Nazi swine to march in Skokie, Illinois. Chuck Hayes, says local Kentucky newspaper the "Commonwealth Journal," has been charged in a "murder for hire" scheme. This charge is based on the FBI's claim that one of their agents, working undercover, phoned Hayes and contracted to "scare, hurt," or murder Hayes's son in return for $100. Hayes, at last report, is being held without bond. His location is not known. According to an anonymous fax I received today (November 3, 1996), the charge against Hayes is false and is a maneuver by the Clintons, Janet Reno, and FBI Director Louis Freeh against Hayes "in an attempt to silence him and stop his investigation for Ken Starr." What is more, adds the author of the anonymous fax, "the delay in making the existing indictments from being made public is only delaying the inevitable until after the election." A preliminary check with one of my sources, an individual whom I have code-named "Mr. Mercedes," leads me to believe that the author of the anonymous fax is no lightweight in his access to inside information. The anonymous fax goes on to warn: "Welcome to Watergate II, you sorry excuses for journalists. Sit back and watch the show unfold with FEMA declaring a national emergency and voiding the corrupt election of a criminal..." He adds that, "the Clintons know their co-presidency is soon to collapse and they, along with their cronies, are all heading to jail..." (Personally I am thinking lately, "Hey, come to think of it, I'm poor. So why should I care if Clinton gets in and taxes a bunch of rich dudes?" Yet beyond economics it's a basic question of right and wrong: no good can come from having a crook as President, even if he is my crook.) So not to get political (vote, or don't vote, for who you please), but Charles Hayes, no matter what his past associations, is a U.S. citizen with rights such as *habeas corpus*. No matter one's personal opinion of him, the principle comes first: FBI and the justice system has and does break the law it is supposedly meant to serve. What is happening to Chuck Hayes is an outrage, especially considering he is associated with an unpopular, fringe group. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of Conspiracy Nation, nor of its Editor in Chief. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe cn-l My Name" to listproc@cornell.edu (Note: that is "CN-L" *not* "CN-1") ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the improved Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigred@shout.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more about Whitewater, Oklahoma City bombing, etc? (1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Date: Tue Nov 05, 1996 5:21 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 59 The following is brought to you thanks, in part, to the kind assistance of CyberNews and the fine folks at Cornell University. Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 9 Num. 59 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- ALERT: FORWARD TO ROSS PEROT ============================ I received the following communique from a person known to me to not be a lightweight in his knowledge of "deep politics" (Professor Peter Dale Scott's term for esoteric American politics; see his excellent book, *Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, Berkeley: University of California Press, 1993.) The person who authored the following communique is a questionable quantity as far as I'm concerned: yes, he has inside knowledge, but if or not he operates with a hidden agenda is unknown to me. My usual policy with information that may be important is to pass it along and let the reader make up her own mind. Also I offer the caveat that the following communique betrays an anti-Israel bias. My own opinion is that Israel is not the "big bad wolf" that some imagine it to be. This is hinted at, for example, by evidence showing Great Britain as puppet-master of Israel. Also, if Israel buys the U.S. Congress, whose fault is that? Israel's, or the Congress which is widely known worldwide as being for sale to the highest bidder? Finally, the author of the following communique makes mention of Media Bypass magazine and, specifically, that magazine's investigative reporter Lawrence Myers. Regarding Media Bypass magazine, they have published some good material in the past, yet lately seem to be wimping out with legal mumbo jumbo which goes nowhere. (For a good, fiction-based-on-fact account of what a dead-end labyrinthe legalisms can be, see *Bleak House* by Charles Dickens.) As to Mr. Myers, for all I know he may be a fine, honest reporter, maligned unjustly in some quarters. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 96/Oct/30 (Wed) Re: Chuck Hayes Alert Dear Soul, Please note that 1st hand report from 96/Oct/29 (Tue), concerning the alleged bond hearing on 96/Oct/28 (Mon) is as follows: 1. NO BOND *EVER* to be allowed 2. NO VISITORS 3. NO MAIL 4. NO PHONE 5. Only alleged attorney visits (2 attorneys named: 1. Kirk Davis, Burnside, Ky; 2. Warren Scolville, London, Ky; 3. PROBLEM, one of the two attorney's offices, Congressman Hal Rogers was observed as an office insider -- who is opposed to Chuck [Hayes].) 6. Chuck [Hayes] was swooped on by an FBI SWAT team on 96/Oct/22 7. Normal procedure is bond hearing next day -- Wed. 96/Oct/23 -- NOT HELD. 8. Thur 96/Oct/24 NO HEARING held but hearing promised for Friday 96/Oct/25. 9. 96/Oct/25 -- *NO HEARING* 10. 96/Oct/28 (Mon) Set for (a.) ARRAIGNMENT for 96/Nov/22 (b.) TRIAL Pre-set for 96/Dec/2 11. Very, very unusual outcome based rulings on an (a.) alleged felony, with (b.) no one actually hurt, (c.) no prior criminal record known or mentioned. It is probably not wisdom to leave this thing bottled up in peanut London, Ky. Please get this out on Internet or however or wherever. Also, we do not endorse the FBI/DOJ spin doctor Louisville, Ky Courier Journal 96/Oct/24 story as verification when they have (1) No Case #, (2) no Judges name, (3) no charge cited, or (4) for DOJ/FBI false evidence creation abilities. Please, if you can *get* *this* *to* *Ross* *Perot* (R.P.), please do so. If you have no good way to get R.P., -- Please put, "Alert, forward to R. Perot," on your Internet or anywhere and *get* *it* *to* *R.P.* Note: Before Lawrence "Mossad Morrano" Meyers took charge at *Media by Pass*, that magazine focused cover photos and stories on enemy perpetrators -- detailing their evil deeds -- such as Diane "Mossad" Feinstein. Since Mossad Meyers is in control they focus on souls trying to do good -- 4 of whom have been jailed or terrorized by the FBI/BATF/DOJ -- so far. The *first* was the leader of fed watchers: photoed on cover of Media by Pass by Meyers, almost immediately jailed thereafter. The *second* was a witness hidden from the OKC bombing perpetrators (BATF/FBI/DOJ) but exposed by Meyers, who turned the heretofore unknown witness over to the FBI/BATF/DOJ terrorizers. The *third* was when the new editor and Meyers published against Mary Snell, the wife of Richard Snell, and for his murderers, convicted felon Arkansas Governor Guy Tucker in league with the former Governor. The *fourth* is now *Chuck Hayes*, photo cover targeted in September 96 by Meyers, imprisoned in October 96 by FBI/BATF/DOJ. *WHO WILL BE THE NEXT VICTIM* of what should be correctly renamed *MEDIA BY MOSSAD*. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + 1996/Nov/1 Brian, Please recall we have written to you in the past, having/working with Chuck Hayes, Xxxxxxx Xxxxxxx, others known to you -- Jim Norman, so forth. We have been de-stabilized by our imposter non-government for trying to help covert community souls who wind up in a jam. Which description now fits Chuck Hayes. We are asking you to use your computer resource access to get us "*best*" phone and fax [for] 2 to 3 persons: 1) Woolsey -- former CIA Director 2) R. Perot 3) Air Force General Cairn or Cairns (acting CIA Director four short weeks, before Deutch.) Each of these three has personal knowledge of Chuck [Hayes] and may help if pushed/goaded. Please respond in some way so we know you received this communication. 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(1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cn.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 Date: Mon Nov 11, 1996 11:26 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Allegations Regarding Foster, NSA, Banks: Part 37 Part 37: Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transaction Spying by J. Orlin Grabbe Shortly after finishing The End of Ordinary Money, Part II, I received phone calls from Jim Norman of Forbes Magazine, Bill Hamilton of Inslaw, and Gregory Wierzynski, Assistant Staff Director of the House Committee on Banking and Financial Services. They were all interested in my references to money-laundering activities in Arkansas financial institutions, as well as to the use of the stolen PROMIS software in tracking financial transactions. Jim Norman was a Senior Editor at Forbes Magazine whose article entitled Fostergate had been killed by Malcolm S. ("Steve") Forbes. Forbes had done so at the urging of Caspar Weinberger, the former Reagan Secretary of Defense who was Chairman of the Board of Forbes, Inc. Norman was interested in my references to an NSA project to spy on banking transfers, because he had information that Vince Foster, a Rose Law Firm partner, oversaw such a project at Jackson Stephens' software firm Systematics. He also wanted to get Fostergate published elsewhere, and I promised to bring it to public attention through the Internet. Not all of the material in the article was familiar to me, but those parts that were had merit-- and in any case I didn't believe in military censorship of information presented in civilian financial publications. (I discovered soon enough, however, that most of the senior staff of Forbes Magazine had ties to the intelligence community, so perhaps Norman's experience was not all that uncommon.) Bill Hamilton of Inslaw had been pursuing a case for years to collect from the U.S. government the value of Inslaw's PROMIS software that had been stolen by the U.S. Department of Justice. In its original form, the PROMIS system was used for federal case management. Another version had been converted for intelligence use in tracking agents, operations, and movements. A CIA agent named Michael Riconosciuto had worked on this version, and--in connection with Bobby Inman of the National Security Agency--had created code that would cause the computer hardware to give off signals, disguised as noise, when the program was running. (The standing waves emitted can be modeled by mathematical functions called "Walsh functions".) The program was then marketed around the world by another CIA agent named Earl Brian, who set up a company for that purpose. One of Earl Brian's sales, made to the government of Brazil, was observed by another CIA agent named Chuck Hayes. Hayes had testified to this sale before a Chicago grand jury, but his testimony had been redacted under the National Security Act. These software sales were not only profitable to Brian's company, but they also allowed U.S. intelligence agencies to access the intelligence data of the foreign country running the software. The signals given off by the computer hardware could picked up by nearby vans or, often, by satellite. Another modification of the software had shown up at the World Bank in 1983, where it was being used to track wire transfers, apparently in connection with a money-laundering operation that went from BCCI London through the World Bank and into Caribbean institutions. This was of considerable interest to me, because I had learned in banking circles that the NSA was spying on banking transactions, and that this apparently included domestic financial transactions in certain instances. Gradually I had learned that the NSA seemed to be working through a Little Rock-based company called Systematics, which was controlled by Jackson Stephens, a principal financial backer of Bill Clinton, and a person connected with the BCCI purchase of First American Bank in Washington, D.C. In early 1995 I published on the Internet a bibliography of Systematics' banking deals, and in that context mentioned the name of Web Hubbell as being associated with the NSA project--but I did not yet know of Vince Foster's greater involvement. This bibliography had apparently been used by Norman and also by others pursuing the same story. Gregory Wierzynski was interested in money laundering. When I met with him and Stephen Ganis, Counsel to the House Committee on Banking and Financial Services, they were interested in any information I knew of that connected Vince Foster to money- laundering in Arkansas. I told them I had no non-public information, and gave them a copy of Fostergate, which Jim Norman had sent to me only a few days before. "Why would Steve Forbes kill it?" Wierzynski wanted to know. He knew Steve Forbes because Forbes, like Wierzynski, had once served as head of Radio Free Europe. As time passed, I became increasingly convinced that Wierzynski was more involved in covering up than in actual investigation. (Wierzynski's boss, Jim Leach, was overheard saying to Newt Gingrich about the investigation, "If we don't do something, this thing is going to get out of hand." This gave me little confidence Leach was going to conduct an aggressive search for the truth.) As best I could tell, Wierzynski had been booted out of the Pentagon after his son was caught hacking into Defense Department computers. Shortly after this meeting in June 1995, however, I began my series of Vince Foster posts ("Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the National Security Agency, and Banking Transactions Spying") on the Internet, and sent copies along to the House Comittee on Banking and Financial Services. A few days later Jim Leach wrote to the Director of the National Security Agency asking about the allegations: "July 11, 1995 "Vice Admiral John McConnell, USN "Director, National Security Agency "Ft. George Mead, MD 20755 "Dear Admiral McConnell: "I am writing to seek your agency's help in verifying or laying to rest various allegations of money laundering in Arkansas in the late 1980s. For that purpose, I would request a briefing from NSA's Inspector General on Friday, July 14 before 1:00 p.m.; if that is not possible, sometime on Monday, July 17, would also be convenient. "The reports I have in mind have appeared in the general press and, sometimes in sensational form, in more narrow- gauged outlets, including the Internet. They speak of secret foreign bank accounts held by prominent people in Arkansas, special software to monitor bank transfers, and similar tales. I would like to determine whether there is any substance at all to these stories. "Specifically, I would like your Inspector General to tell me whether the Agency: "(1) knows of any secret bank accounts held by U.S. citizens domiciled in Arkansas at any time between 1988 and now; "(2) is aware, directly or indirectly, of any efforts by computer hackers, U.S.-government related or otherwise, to penetrate banks for the purpose of monitoring accounts and transactions; "(3) knows of or has participated, directly or indirectly, in efforts to sell software--notably versions of a program in use at the Justice Department called PROMIS--or clandestinely produced devices to foreign banks for the purpose of collecting economic intelligence and information about illicit money transfers; "(4) is cognizant of any attempts by Systematics Inc, an Arkansas-based electronic data processor that is now a division of Alltell [Alltel], to monitor or engage in the laundering of drug money or proceeds of other illegal activities, notably those conducted through Mena, Arkansas; "(5) can produce information about Charles Hayes, a businessman in Nancy, Kentucky, who claims to have been a CIA operative in Latin and Central America, among other places; "(6) knew of or was involved in, directly or indirectly, any covert activities by the U.S. government or any private parties (the so-called "private benefactors") in or around Mena in the late 1980s; "(7) had any contractual or other relationship with the late Adler Barriman "Barry" Seal in the 1980s or knew about his activities in connection with Mena. "I would appreciate your help in shedding light on these matters. "Sincerely, "James A. Leach "Chairman" (to be continued) November 11, 1996 Web Page: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Date: Tue Nov 12, 1996 11:27 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: part 38: vince foster, the NSA, and bank spying (fwd) *caveat lector*. This means, "reader beware." In other words, it is up to the reader to form her/his own judgements as to the following. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 12:40:52 -0500 (EST) From: KALLISTE@delphi.com Subject: part 38: vince foster, the NSA, and bank spying Part 38: Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying by J. Orlin Grabbe (continued from Part 37) What answers Jim Leach's House Committee on Banking and Financial Services received from the National Security Agency's (NSA's) Inspector General is not known, but apparently the NSA stonewalled the investigation. On July 23, 1995, Gregory Wierzynski emailed me, asking "Do you have suggestions on how we could verify some of the elements in the Norman story? I've talked to Chuck in Kentucky and am still in touch with him. But his stories have not panned out, even partially. I would be most interested in your ideas." I found this statement remarkable, and knew that Wierzynski was being deliberately obtuse. Moreover, neither I--nor anyone else of my acquaintance--had told Wierzynski that I was talking to Chuck Hayes in Nancy, Kentucky. Jim Norman had first suggested that I call Hayes-- had even implied that Hayes wanted me to call--but initially I had been reluctant to do so. There were enough people trying to get me off the Internet, and I was dubious of the motives of an ex-intelligence operative. But when I finally did so, we spent a hour and twenty minutes on the phone in a wide-ranging conversation about money- laundering. I jumped around from topic to topic, bringing up numerous obscure connections between the intelligence community and banking. In each case Hayes was right there with me, adding details to what we were discussing. From time to time I would make deliberate mis-statements to see if Hayes would catch the discrepancies. He did. By the end of the conversation it did not matter to me whether Chuck Hayes was just a hillbilly Kentucky junk dealer or an ex-member of CIA's division D. His knowledge spoke for itself. He had an intimate acquaintance with banking wire transfers, bank computer operations, and banking-intelligence connections, as well as detailed insights into current hidden money-laundering channels. Hayes was already familiar with my article *The End of Ordinary Money*. He said he had gotten his copy from the CIA library. The CIA had apparently either downloaded it from the Internet, or perhaps had obtained it through Robert Steele. Eric Bloodaxe, a.k.a. Chris Goggans, an ex-Legion of Doom member who edited a hacker publication called *Phrack*, had suggested I sent copies to Winn Schwartau of *Information Warfare* fame, and to Robert Steele, whose company Open Source Solutions, Inc., published a newsletter entitled *OSS Notices*, which advocated some radical changes to the process of intelligence collection. Steele had reviewed them as follows: "J. Orlin Grabbe has produced the first two in a series of three papers on digital cash, and I found them both educational and provocative. . . . He approaches the matter from a civil libertarian/civil disobedience perspective, and I find his perspective on the history of U.S. policy and technology, as well as the alternatives, well-worth review. This is a thoughtful popular perspective on issues of electronic privacy which bears on both the protection of intellectual property and electronic civil defense" (*OSS Notices*, vol. 3, issue 5, May 31, 1995). Chuck and I had some differences, to be sure. Hayes was spending much of his time tracking drug- money laundering through the U.S. financial system. I looked at the War on Drugs from an economic perspective: supply restriction leading to vast profit margins, with concomitant political payoffs and political corruption, while in the meantime prisons were being over-crowded with casual drug users. It was an exercise in insanity. Nor was I a fan of the DEA, with its record of civil rights violations. Hayes, by contrast, liked the DEA for their street smarts, which contrasted with the desk- level bureaucrats he was somewhat contemptuous of at the CIA. But Hayes was gunning for the people at the top of the drug-dealing and money-laundering pyramid, and this was fine with me. There was a close association between those administering the War on Drugs, and those profiting from it. In the case of money-laundering, it was even more blatant: it was hard to differentiate the money launderers from those that administered the money- laundering laws. I did not approve of the money- laundering laws themselves with their invasions of personal financial privacy. But on the other hand, hoisting government junkies on their own petard did not perturb me. Over a period of time, Hayes and I developed an information-sharing arrangement. Hayes was at the moment following the financial flows through Arkansas financial institutions, as well as through Mellon Bank in Pittsburgh. Also involved were New York banks, some members of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, and at least one important official at the Federal Reserve. On the Arkansas front, Hayes was quite open in telling me he was going to nail Jim Guy Tucker to the wall, and over the following year I watched him do just that. One might assume from such a statement that Hayes was a Republican, out to get Democrats. But in fact Hayes' father had been a local Democrat party official, and Hayes had been a friend and admirer of John Kennedy. Hayes was not political in that sense, any more than I was. Some people have a strange habit of trying to interpret everything in political terms. When I first spoke to Sarah McClendon, she asked me, "Why are people saying all these things about Clinton, and they aren't saying anything about George Bush?" I refused to bite. I told her I didn't give a shit about the difference between Republicans and Democrats--that this was about criminality, not about partisan politics. Some people-- Republican or Democrat--are honest, and some are not. Sarah herself kept referring to the Clintons (Bill and Hill) as "virgins," which amused me to no end. But my interest was not partisan, and never has been. In a contrary vein, Jack Blum, who recently joined Jim Leach's House Committee on Banking as an investigator (and who quickly recommended they drop their Mena investigation), told Marianne Gasior that I was a right-wing nut because of what I had written about Bill and Hillary Clinton. Marianne said, "I don't think so," and read off my resume. Blum's response: "You're kidding." Gasior was politically a liberal Democrat, and when she was pursuing a case against Kennametal, which had done business with Iraq during the Gulf War, she received some support from Democrat politicians, because the issue was embarrassing to Republican interests. *Time Magazine* did a write-up of her efforts ("A Matter of Honor," June 21, 1993). But when she began to ask questions about what Hillary Clinton was doing on the board of Lafarge Corporation, which was part of the same smuggling network, Democrat support for her research quickly evaporated (see "Whatever Happened to Iraqgate?", *The American Spectator*, November 1996.) To the average political hack, partisanship always takes precedence over the search for truth. In Wierzynski's case, while supposedly investigating money-laundering for the House Committee, he seemed to be actually serving other interests--perhaps the Pentagon's, perhaps someone else's. Hayes had come up with financial records showing that fifty to seventy million dollars a day of drug-related money was being laundered through the institutions he was looking at. Wierzynski couldn't understand how such a thing was possible. He wanted "proof" in a neat little package, say a memo entitled "Today's Money-Laundering Report". He seemed to expect to ask a few questions, and then *voila!*-- the darkest secrets of American political life would be exposed. So it is not surprising that Wierzynski's investigation had gone nowhere before Jack Blum arrived to call the whole thing off. Meanwhile, Wierzynski's son, in school in England, had been indicted for supplying information to a group of Russian hackers in St. Petersburg, who had pulled off a heist of Citibank funds. Both Wierzynski and Stephen Gannis, the Counsel for the House Committee on Banking and Finance, were in touch with a San Francisco attorney named Charles O. Morgan. Systematics (now a subsidiary of Alltel) had hired Morgan to lie about its relationship to the NSA, and Morgan proceeded to do just that. In an April 5, 1995, letter to Michael Geltner, an attorney for Agora, Inc., Morgan wrote: "None of ALLTEL's operations or subsidiaries has ever had any connection in any capacity with the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, or any other similar agency in the United States Government; . . ." But recent documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by *The Washington Weekly* from NSA show that, for example, that "The Arkansas-based security contractor Systematics Inc. on September 14, 1990 was awarded a $166,000 NSA contract to build a 'Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility' (SCIF) in Ft. Gillem, Georgia" (*The Washington Weekly*, Nov. 11, 1996). Morgan similarly denied any connection between Web Hubbell and Systematics, writing, "Webster Hubbell never served as an attorney or in any other capacity for ALLTEL Corporation, or for any of its operations or subsidiaries, other than a single instance in 1983, when Systematics, Inc., engaged Mr. Hubbell to pursue a competitor that was using Systematics, Inc.'s propriety software without authorization; . . ." But it is a matter of public record that when in 1978 Jackson Stephens tried to take over First American bank (later acquired by BCCI), that the bank sued Systematics along with BCCI, Bert Lance, and Jackson Stephens. Filing briefs for Systematics were Webster Hubbell, along with C.J. Giroir and Hillary Rodham Clinton. (Hubbell subsequently went to the Justice Department, and then to jail, after receiving a $500,000 payment for unspecified legal services from Indonesia's Lippo Group. C.J. Giroir left the Rose Law Firm and set up a consulting firm to arrange deals between the Lippo Group and Arkansas-based firms. Hillary Clinton recently declared her friendship for ex- Lippo employee and Democrat fund-raiser John Huang, and was also indicted by grand juries in Little Rock and in New York in October 1996. These indictments have not yet been made public.) But the non-pursuit of the drug-money laundering trail by the Leach Committee was not surprising. It stepped on too many toes. Hayes and I agreed that the U.S. was being rapidly transformed into a narco-republic. The drug cartels had penetrated the highest levels of the Justice Department and the FBI, elements of the intelligence community, and were additionally bribing a broad assortment of state and federal government employees and politicians. Even more alarming, the cartels were now making inroads into the White House. And the Clinton administration, with lax security stemming largely from a variety of drug-related issues, along with a pre-existing legacy of political corruption in Arkansas, had created a free-for-all playground for foreign agents. Everything was for sale, from trade policy to nuclear codes. Moreover, Bill Clinton (or perhaps those he surrounded himself with, while he partied on the side) was making rapid progress in turning the FBI and the Secret Service into a private political police force--a Gestapo whose duty was to investigate and harass (and even kill) his political opponents, and to cover up evidence of his own bad deeds. Extraordinary times required extraordinary measures. Enter the Fifth Column. (to be continued) November 12, 1996 Web Page: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Date: Fri Nov 15, 1996 2:42 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: bigred@duracef.shout.net TO: Conspiracy Nation EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: CN-L@cornell.edu BCC: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: part 39: allegations re vince foster, the NSA, and bank spying (fwd) *caveat lector*. This means, "reader beware." In other words, it is up to the reader to form her/his own judgements as to the following. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:54:28 -0500 (EST) From: KALLISTE@delphi.com Subject: part 39: allegations re vince foster, the NSA, and bank spying Part 39: Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and Banking Transactions Spying by J. Orlin Grabbe (continued from Part 38) The creation of the Fifth Column to deal with official corruption was necessitated by a confluence of several factors. 1. First of all, there is the corruption of the Justice Department itself. One couldn't simply turn over the fruits of a lot of hard investigative work, involving both financial and other information, to the Department of Justice, and expect to see justice done. The Justice Department is part and parcel of the same corrupt system. Nowhere is this more in evidence than the theft by "trickery, deceit, and fraud" (in the words of a federal bankruptcy judge) of the PROMIS software. The Justice Department is bent on discrediting, ruining, or indicting anyone who is harmful to the government's case. The Department's carrot-and-stick method of operation can be seen from the following paragrahs found in an affidavit of Michael J. Riconosciuto (March 21, 1991): "In February 1991, I had a telephone conversation with Peter Videnieks, then still employed by the U.S. Department of Justice. Videnieks attempted during this telephone conversation to persuade me not to cooperate with an independent investigation of the government's piracy of INSLAW's proprietary PROMIS software being conducted by the Committee on the Judiciary of the U.S. House of Representatives. "[Carrot:] Videnieks stated that I would be rewarded for a decision not to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation. Videnieks forecasted an immediate and favorable resolution of a protracted child custody dispute being prosecuted against my wife by her former husband, if I were to decide not to cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee investigation. "[Stick:] Videnieks also outlined specific punishments that I could expect to receive from the U.S. Department of Justice if I cooperate with the House Judiciary Committee's investigation. "[Stick #1:] One punishment that Videnieks outlined was the future inclusion of me and my father in a criminal prosecution of certain business associates of mine in Orange County, California, in connection with the operation of a savings and loan institution in Orange County. By way of underscoring his power to influence such decisions at the U.S. Department of Justice, Videnieks informed me of the indictment of these business associates prior to the time when that indictment was unsealed and made public. "[Stick #2:] Another punishment that Videnieks threatened against me if I cooperate with the House Judiciary Commitee [sic] is prosecution by the U.S. Department of Justice for perjury. Videnieks warned me that credible witnesses would come forward to contradict any damaging claims that I made in testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, and that I would subsequently be prosecuted for perjury by the U.S. Department of Justice for my testimony before the House Judiciary Committee." 2. Secondly, there is the corruption of congressional investigative bodies. "We tried in the early 90s to take the evidence to all the appropriate l