Date: Mon Sep 11, 1995 10:20 pm CST From: John Q. Public EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: email@example.com TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Sarah McClendon: Are Dems and GOP Using Drug Money? The following appears in the 9/11 edition of the Washington Weekly, and is posted here with permission: SARAH MCCLENDON ASKS WHITE HOUSE ABOUT DRUG PROFITS White House Press Conference, September 7, 1995. MS. MCCLENDON: Mike, I understand that Vice President Gore has told President Clinton that he understands that the government is letting sale from - profits from narcotics which are coming in here be used, be laundered and be used to finance both political parties. Mr. Clinton was apparently not aware of this, but Mr. Bush apparently was. And Mr. Gore has insisted that it be stopped. And Mr. Clinton, I understand, is now saying that he will take some steps to stop this financing of political parties, both political parties, by profits from drugs coming into this country for sale which are ruining the country. Now, I wonder when Mr. Clinton is going to start his movement on this and what he's going to do. MR. MCCURRY: I haven't heard any of that before. That sounds like the plot for a very good novel. But I haven't heard - MS. MCCLENDON: Now, don't make fun of it, Mike, because it's true. It's true. MR. MCCURRY: I'm not making fun of it. If it's true - MS. MCCLENDON: Just go and check it with the President. MR. MCCURRY: All right. I'll go ask the President if he's taken any steps on that and report back to you. [We'll be waiting -Editor] Copyright (c) 1995 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue Nov 28, 1995 2:35 pm CST From: bigred EMS: INTERNET / MCI ID: 376-5414 MBX: firstname.lastname@example.org TO: * David Beiter / MCI ID: 635-1762 Subject: Interview With Sarah McClendon -- 08/30/95 Interview with Sarah McClendon, 08/30/95 First published in the October 1995 Conspiracy Nation Newsletter ---------------------------------------------------------------- Contact email@example.com for info about the CN Newsletter CONSPIRACY NATION: I got your phone number from Sherman Skolnick, in Chicago. SARAH McCLENDON: Yes, he's a good friend of mine. I don't always agree with him! [laughs] CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. I know. Me too. SARAH McCLENDON: You wanted to ask me about somethin'. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. My first question would be, there's a newsletter called *Relevance* newsletter... SARAH McCLENDON: Yes. I'm familiar with it. They send it to me all the time, from Michigan. I haven't had time to read it! [laughs] CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. I kind of know what you mean. I get a lot of stuff from readers that I don't have that much time to read everything either. But they quote you as saying, Sara McClendon told your editor in mid-May that there were 16 sealed indictments sitting in the Arkansas District Court, three of which indict Hillary Rodham Clinton with bank fraud to the tune of $47-60 million, obstruction of justice, and possibly perjury. SARAH McCLENDON: I didn't give any amount. And I said one time. I don't think I said three. I know I said two and possibly three, at one time. But they were planning to indict her on those things. But I didn't give any amount of money, and... You remember what date that was? (You don't, I guess.) But anyway, I'll have to look it up. People are always quoting me, and quoting me wrong! You know what I mean? CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. Yeah. SARAH McCLENDON: And I understand that she's *not* going to be indicted now. And so that was what they were trying to do, and wanted to do. But I think they've backed down from that. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. This was in their [*Relevance*] June/July issue. Okay. So you're sayin' that, "No. She has not been indicted." SARAH McCLENDON: I don't think she has. I don't think she will be. That's based on, you know, my assumption, my analysis of the situation. And there may be something different tomorrow! CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. Okay, I've been hearin' this from a lot of sources. Sherman Skolnick had said that she was indicted. Somebody that may be known to you, Debra von Trapp, said that, yes, Hillary had been indicted. SARAH McCLENDON: Debra von Trapp doesn't know a goddamn thing about it. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. So that would be another question. SARAH McCLENDON: Mr. Skolnick is assuming, he's assuming too much. He gets some talk with some former CIA people, but he assumes a lot of things. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. And goin' back to Debra von Trapp: I had interviewed her, and she told me quite an amazing story -- okay? -- about... SARAH McCLENDON: About Japan. CONSPIRACY NATION: Do you give any credibility to that? SARAH McCLENDON: No, I do not. But she has her own business connections with them. She *does* know a man, she says, that she worked with on the transition from [George] Bush to Clinton, who she says "bugged" the White House machines. And she says that he told her that, "We took down Foster." He worked at the time, supposedly, for the CIA and the FBI. CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah! That would be Robert Goetzman. That she was sayin'... SARAH McCLENDON: That's right. CONSPIRACY NATION: ...that. Do you believe that story? SARAH McCLENDON: Yes, I do. CONSPIRACY NATION: You believe that Goetzman was involved in that?! SARAH McCLENDON: Goetzman must have been. Because he told her, according to her, that "We took care of Foster." I know how to get in touch with Goetzman. But he was *furious* when I found him. [laughs] CONSPIRACY NATION: I could imagine that he would be. SARAH McCLENDON: He was *furious* when I found him. But the White House said to me, "Are you sure he doesn't work on any of *your* maintenance contracts? With your machines?" And they said, "He will never work here. We can assure you that he will not be working here." So by that tone of voice (that was a man who manages the White House machines), I am quite sure that he was watching to see, to check to see if they had been "bugged". CONSPIRACY NATION: And what about, Debra von Trapp also, besides the "bugging" of the White House, she says, as far as the Oklahoma City bombing, that there had been some complicated plot. Are you familiar with what she had said about that? SARAH McCLENDON: Well she called me the night before the bombing to tell me that something was going to happen. But about all that she did was, she left a message on my answering service for me to call her. And she didn't say when it was going to be (she didn't say specifically). The next day, she told the Michigan Militia that she had told me ahead of time where it was gonna be and all about it! [laughs] But she did not! I did not know ahead of time it was gonna be. CONSPIRACY NATION: But are you familiar with what she's sayin', that this bombing in Oklahoma City was in retaliation for a sarin gas attack in Tokyo that had occurred a month previously? SARAH McCLENDON: In Japan? CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. SARAH McCLENDON: Yes, I'm familiar with it. CONSPIRACY NATION: Do you give credence to it? SARAH McCLENDON: No, I don't. But, I mean, I do not, but I know that she had some business dealings over there. And, you know, anything could be possible. Personally, I don't think it's very plausible. CONSPIRACY NATION: Clinton seems to be causing, or at least assisting, the self- destruction of the Democratic Party... SARAH McCLENDON: No. He's not doing anything of the sort. He wouldn't do anything like that. That's ridiculous. The Democratic Party has been goin' downhill for the last two or three campaigns. And they're going downhill because they don't have enough sense to have any leadership! They don't *take* leadership! They don't *do* anything! It's not Clinton's fault! Clinton is the only leader they've got who's [unclear] for it. It's not Clinton's fault that they're doin' this. It's their own fault. And the people inside the Democratic Party who are left-wing liberals want Clinton out! They want him out so bad they're probably going to get him out and get him so embarrassed that he'll resign. And *that* faction of the Democratic Party has been enlarged in the last week, week or two, by more middle-of-the-road Democrats who want him out. At the same time, normal people in the United States -- and there are politicians in Washington, Democratic leaders in Washington and I -- think the people around the country are very well-satisfied with Mr. Clinton. And I believe Mr. Clinton can be re-elected. And I think he *will*. And the Democratic left-wingers who are trying to get him out of office, I don't think they have anyplace to go! I don't know what's to become of them. And I don't care. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay, that's interesting. Because my perception, my background is I have always identified with the Democratic Party -- until recently. SARAH McCLENDON: Well I've always been a Democrat, I'm still a Democrat. But at the same time, I think the Democratic National Committee in Washington has absolutely no leadership! CONSPIRACY NATION: Well there's definitely a problem. Because I see a lot of the politicians are jumping ship! SARAH McCLENDON: Well you know what I think is happening? I think that the same pot of -- I can't prove this, but I know other people that agree with me -- I think the same pot of money is behind campaigns for both parties. They may be doing it in the name of other people, but I think that the money is coming from narcotics being sold in this country. CONSPIRACY NATION: To me, that's a key part of the problem, is this *huge* trade in drugs. SARAH McCLENDON: It wouldn't be happening without government approval in some way. It's gotta be government approval, somehow. And I think that money is being used to finance both campaigns, and they just decide which party will win against the other. [George] Bush has been mostly the manipulator. Bush has been manipulating the Clinton administration ever since they got in there. CONSPIRACY NATION: Could you amplify on that a little bit? SARAH McCLENDON: Well Bush has been causing to happen, or pulling strings to happen, tragic things to happen. But he... 30 percent of the policy makers in the Justice Department are his people! He *owns* Louis Freeh, the FBI man. And he owns... And Jesse Helms, the other faction, the right-wing conservative Republicans who want Clinton out, Jesse Helms owns Kenneth Starr. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. And that's kind of my perception, too, is that... Say with Mena, Arkansas, that whole thing... SARAH McCLENDON: That was completely Bush and the CIA, and completely... and not Clinton. CONSPIRACY NATION: And yet Clinton is somewhat involved, isn't he? SARAH McCLENDON: No. He's not "somewhat involved", not at all. And they're tryin' to say so, and the people that are saying so have no more proof than the man in the moon that he's taken any of that money that's being laundered through there. That's utterly ridiculous. The CIA and Bush are responsible for that. And Oliver North. And Bush, and a former congressman from Arkansas, a Republican, set up Mena as a base. Now Mena was only one of a *ring* of bases, from Florida to Arizona, that Bush set up to take *out* arms and to import narcotics, because of the Iran-Contra. CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah, I'm familiar with that. SARAH McCLENDON: And Mena is still going, and Mena is now being used, to a great extent, to bring in money for laundering. And a lot of this money comes from narcotics sales, either in this country or in the islands or somewhere else. CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah, it keeps going back to the drug trade. I think that's the *big* problem in this country. SARAH McCLENDON: And I think that some of the same people are deciding it, whether Democrats or Republicans will get it this time. CONSPIRACY NATION: But there's this person named Terry Reed -- okay? -- that, he wrote a book called *Compromised*. Are you familiar with that book at all? SARAH McCLENDON: I've heard of it. But I don't have it and I haven't read it. CONSPIRACY NATION: He insists that Clinton was involved. In fact, he insists that Clinton actually, that he was at a meeting where Clinton attended. SARAH McCLENDON: Is this the meeting where Bush went too? CONSPIRACY NATION: No. SARAH McCLENDON: Where they were talkin' about the money? CONSPIRACY NATION: I forget, exactly. But Reed insists that... My perception is that, yes, Bush was the major player here. But that Clinton... SARAH McCLENDON: Bush is the major player, by *all* means. And you know what they did with him. A group of over one-thousand citizens petitioned Clinton to find out what was goin' on at Mena because they felt they had a right to know. And he agreed to use $25 thousand to investigate it. Then he *didn't* spend that money because the CIA came to him and told him, "Lay off. Don't do a thing to us. We need this operation at Mena, Arkansas, for 'national security'." CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. So it's the CIA, really, that... Clinton, it happened to occur in his state, and when he wanted to look at... SARAH McCLENDON: This was the CIA who did this, and they did it at Betsy Wright, who was Clinton's chief-of-staff, who lived in Washington. She was the person whom, everybody had to go through her to see Clinton. And she's the one that said the CIA came to him and told him to lay off. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. In the July 31st, 1995 issue of *your* newsletter -- this got put on the Internet, a portion of it, and I'm quotin' what was... SARAH McCLENDON: The July 31st newsletter? CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. According to what I have, you write that "To study [Vince] Foster's death is to learn federal secrets." This seems to imply that Vince Foster's death is just the surface of a much bigger and wider story. SARAH McCLENDON: I think it goes into four administrations. CONSPIRACY NATION: So it goes back to Carter. SARAH McCLENDON: Carter didn't know too much about it. But Jackson Stephens owned a system of communications called "Systematics". And it was taken off of Inslaw. Inslaw, you know, had PROMIS pulled out of it and sold by Ed Meese around the world. PROMIS is the system to keep up with criminality. And Systematics is a system to keep up with money transactions around the world. Jackson Stephens took the Systematics system and gave it to Jimmy Carter, because he and Jimmy had been friends at Annapolis, were roommates or somethin', and they loved each other. And then Jimmy put it into the government. And then Carter went out, and Bush came in. And Bush took the Systematics and worked it over. And he, it had been in and out of the National Security Agency. If you ask them about it, they say they don't know what you're talkin' about. Systematics has several branches, one of which was in Boston. And Systematics was something that Hillary and Foster were assigned by the Rose Law Firm to be the lawyers for Systematics. And they came, several different times they were assigned to work on Systematics. And when they came to the White House, Foster was doing political work for Hillary and Clinton. But he also was still working on this Systematics! And that's what happened. And then I think that he [Foster] was used as a messenger boy by Bush, on Systematics. CONSPIRACY NATION: So the bigger story here is basically Inslaw: the theft of the PROMIS software and the way that that was integrated into a lot of the banking system. SARAH McCLENDON: Well, you see, PROMIS is one and Systematics is the other: both came out of Inslaw. And they were both taken! Now Hamilton, who owns Inslaw -- he brought Inslaw forward and tried to sell it to the Justice Department; they beat him out of it -- Hamilton says that a former employee of Systematics told him that the Systematics plan came out of Inslaw. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. And what about these recent allegations you may have heard of, that Foster had $2.86 million in a Swiss bank account? SARAH McCLENDON: I know nothing about that. I know absolutely nothing about that, and I doubt that the people that say that can prove it. CONSPIRACY NATION: Are you familiar with Jim Norman's recent article? ["Fostergate"] SARAH McCLENDON: I certainly am. From the beginning I have talked to him and lived with him, before he got fired and after he got fired [from *Forbes* magazine]. And I don't believe that part of his story. I don't believe that Foster was an agent for Israel. I don't believe Foster was givin' away atomic secrets to Israel. And I don't think that could possibly be. [CN -- McClendon subsequently changed her mind. As reported on the Internet, 09/07/95, George Putnam said as follows on his radio show: "I want to read something here from Sarah McClendon. 'An Apology To James Norman.' She says, 'I want to apologize to James Norman for saying I did not think that he had correct sources. I said I did not think his information was right. I was wrong. Norman was the senior editor of *Forbes* magazine, fired for writing so much of the truth.'"] I think that stuff was put out by the CIA because they evidently wanted to cover up something else. CONSPIRACY NATION: All right. But would you say that the part of the story where, towards the end, Norman is concerned about that other, say 200 or so, high-level U.S. officials *also* had money in Swiss bank accounts? Are you familiar with... SARAH McCLENDON: Well they could have. They could very easily have. But you know, that could be any source in the world. That doesn't mean anything. CONSPIRACY NATION: Are you familiar with the story that there's some, so-called, "Fifth Column" of computer hackers in the CIA that... SARAH McCLENDON: No, I don't know anything about that. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. You mentioned how Norman got fired. And you, I think, are experiencing some kind of heat because you've been looking into Foster's death. SARAH McCLENDON: I was fired, too. CONSPIRACY NATION: You got fired!? SARAH McCLENDON: I got fired from a new thing: AT&T Interchange Online. I got fired after a few weeks of goin' to work for them. CONSPIRACY NATION: And would you say that that's because you'd been lookin' into Foster's death? SARAH McCLENDON: I think it was because of the story I wrote where I said, on July the 14th, I wrote that I thought this investigation would go back to George Bush and Caspar Weinberger. CONSPIRACY NATION: That's kind of like, Sherman Skolnick has been tellin' me the same thing: that the story that's out there, the "Fostergate" story, is a watered-down story; that the *real* story is that it goes back to Bush and Weinberger. For example, Weinberger... SARAH McCLENDON: I think it goes back three or four administrations. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay, but there's a bigger story... SARAH McCLENDON: I tell ya, it goes back, all the way back to 1980. I think that Bush and Weinberger wanted Israel to get the atomic secrets so that she could get the bomb ahead of others and she could hit Russia for the United States. So she could protect herself from her enemies. And I think the reason that Bush wanted Israel to have this is because he wanted to make it up to Israel for what she did for him and Reagan in 1980 when the Israelis handled the weapons that came from the United States, which Iran wanted. We were not supposed to be dealing with Iran at all. And the weapons became Bush and Reagan's private weapons to Iran. And they promised these weapons to Iran and they came through Israel and were *delivered* to Iran. And in return for that, Iran agreed to keep the American hostages 71 more days so that they could be, wouldn't get home in time to help Carter in his campaign for the presidency. CONSPIRACY NATION: So you agree with the story of the "October Surprise": that there was some kind of deal. SARAH McCLENDON: Oh definitely. There definitely was. And Bush has denied it all along. And people have *seen* him in Paris at the time he claims he wasn't there. They saw him there and they know he went to the meeting. And I definitely think the agreement was made there. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. As far as any "heat", you know that Jim Norman got fired from *Forbes*. And then you also got fired. SARAH McCLENDON: You know who fired him, don't you? CONSPIRACY NATION: Caspar Weinberger [publisher *emeritus* of *Forbes*]. SARAH McCLENDON: That's right. We've got to find out more about Caspar Weinberger. He's very much involved in this. And *why*. And we've got to find out more about it though. We know that Bush ran Iran-Contra. We know that Weinberger was very much involved in Iran-Contra, because he kept a diary. CONSPIRACY NATION: What about Jonathan Pollard? Is Pollard just a bit player in all this? Like, he took the fall for this? SARAH McCLENDON: Pollard is a very strange person. And I understand, I think it's about September the 12th that there's a hearing for Pollard (I think in Washington); a parole hearing. And Pollard's friends think he's gonna be out of prison by November. And Pollard was apparently just a fall guy, used... They say that, all of a sudden, information about atomic energy started comin' to his desk. Why'd he pass this on? Why'd he take the fall? I don't know. Caspar Weinberger was *terrible* in denouncing Pollard, and sayin' that Pollard should get all kinds of punishment. And it sounds rather funny to me. But I think Pollard was just an agent of -- I don't know how you would say it -- but he was apparently used as an agent, somehow, in this business. CONSPIRACY NATION: It's almost like they had to find *somebody* to be guilty for it. And so they just took him to be the one as the scapegoat for all this. SARAH McCLENDON: That's apparently right. I think we have yet to find out some cause to all this. We should follow the Foster investigation so thoroughly that we finally get back to Bush and Weinberger and find out what really happened! CONSPIRACY NATION: For me, it's really frustrating that, it's *obvious* to me that there's a lot of suspicious circumstances surrounding Foster's death, and that it hasn't really been properly investigated. SARAH McCLENDON: That's right. CONSPIRACY NATION: And if you dare... You know, for me, a somewhat lowly individual, if I dare to state publicly that I'm not happy with the investigation and I think there's something suspicious about Foster's death, people automatically laugh at you, they say that you're "crazy", you're "paranoid". SARAH McCLENDON: I know that. I know that. Some of those people are *encouraged* to do that by the CIA or other people for disinformation. And the disinformation is so prevalent that we can't get to the facts! And they try to make fun of us for believing in conspiracies and believing in pushing this. They try to make fun of me and everything else. And we just have to keep on doin' it. CONSPIRACY NATION: You say, in your newsletter, that "I am one of the Washington reporters -- four that I know of to date -- who have been fired or threatened with firing, or worse, in the last few days for writing about Foster." You say, "firing, *or* *worse*." What's "or worse"? You mean an IRS audit? How else are they going to try to go after you for daring to look into Foster's death? SARAH McCLENDON: Well they've threatened, they've harassed, people who are against 'em, who are trying to get out the truth and who are trying to expose the government. They harass them in many, many ways. They harass them through their relatives, their friends. I know a woman who's been harassed because she disclosed that a firm up in Pittsburgh was sending tools to Iran. And she's been harassed for *years*. And she had, the other day, had loads of diesel fuel oil dumped in her yard. CONSPIRACY NATION: Okay. But it seems like, that sometimes they can get pretty rough. There's a lot of suspicious deaths, for example, connected with the JFK assassination: there were a lot of witnesses that suddenly had so-called "heart attacks". SARAH McCLENDON: Well I'm on the board of an organization called "Coalition for Political Assassinations". And we are studying these... In fact, we are having our second meeting in Washington this fall. And it's a wonderful meeting. It brings together scientists and all kinds of people who know what they're doing. And they write papers about Jack Kennedy's death. And we don't speculate at all. CONSPIRACY NATION: So, just for the record, you're not satisfied with the official version that "Oswald was the lone assassin". SARAH McCLENDON: Of course not. That's absurd. And I believe, like Fletcher Prouty says -- he's a colonel in the Air Force who was a liaison, I think, between the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA when it was being formed. And he says that, he thinks that the Kennedy murder was done by a cabal of people in government, for two reasons: one, Kennedy had said he was going to pull the troops home from Vietnam and stop the war; and two, he said he was going to tear the CIA apart. CONSPIRACY NATION: Again, in your July 31st, 1995 newsletter, you write "I think he" (meaning Vince Foster) "was dispatched on numerous missions overseas to take money of others to Swiss banks." So in other words, in slang terms, Foster was what they call "a bag man". Would you agree with that? SARAH McCLENDON: I don't know anything about the Swiss banks. But I think that Foster was a tool and he was used. And Foster had found out some very bad things that are goin' on in the government. He wanted to tell Bill Clinton about them on Wednesday, and he was killed Tuesday afternoon. CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. That whole thing, to anybody that can think, that can look at the facts of Foster's death... SARAH McCLENDON: And before they even investigated, routinely investigated his death, they said it was a suicide. CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. There's just so much. I mean, that somebody would shoot themselves in the head, supposedly, and then lie down with their arms at their sides! [laughs] SARAH McCLENDON: Ridiculous. CONSPIRACY NATION: Are you familiar with this person (you may not be), his name is Orlin Grabbe? SARAH McCLENDON: Yes, I'm familiar with his work. I know what he's doing. He's a very talented, very well-educated, qualified person who's taught at Wharton School of Finance. And he taught, he wrote a textbook that's used around the world by bankers. And he is a very well- qualified man. But he's retired. [CN -- Grabbe is not retired.] He just suddenly got in the business of writing. And he's writing all these exposes' for Internet every day, and everybody's readin' them. And he doesn't... Some of it he knows, and some of it he knows from experience, and some of it he's assuming. But he's now been writing about the Mellon Bank. And the Mellon Bank has undoubtedly been... Um, I don't want to stir up trouble... There's a big story in Pittsburgh right now, a big case in the... The Mellon family is the family that started Gulf Oil, for friends. And all of a sudden the Gulf Oil people are gone, and dead. And they found out that the trust fund that was set up for them had gotten to be billions. And that Mellon Bank has taken these trust funds and re-invested them. And now the Mellon heirs, the Gulf Oil heirs, are in court in Pittsburgh this week, tryin' to get their money back. CONSPIRACY NATION: You're obviously more familiar with this, you're closer to what's goin' on. I just basically know what I read on Internet. I'm not that close to it. SARAH McCLENDON: Well I tell you what: I do not believe that any of 'em have the right story about Foster and the Swiss banks, or Foster and secrets to Israel. You stay away from those two things, I think you'll be better off. And Hillary is *not* a lesbian! CONSPIRACY NATION: [laughs] Okay. That's good to know. SARAH McCLENDON: She's very brilliant. And he is an honest man, trying to make a real change in government. CONSPIRACY NATION: Goin' back to Orlin Grabbe: in one of his articles he proposes that we have got what he calls a "triangular trade" that's underlying recent events such as Whitewater, the death of Foster. The "triangular trade" involves third-world raw materials such as oil and coca (that's processed into cocaine) that are exchanged for first-world armaments and technology, with various banks handling the laundering of the money. Hence: the Third World, raw materials; First World, armaments; and the banks would be the third party, would be getting their share of the loot by laundering the money. SARAH McCLENDON: That's right. The banks are doing it like mad. And if you want to know what I really think... This is just my opinion, right now. I can't prove it. I can't document it. But I think the narcotics money is dominating the economies of the world. And it's being laundered in the United States, largely. And in the islands. And the narcotics money is being divided between both parties, and that is financing the election. It's maybe done under a different name, different people, but that's what finances the election for presidency. And I think it's terrible! CONSPIRACY NATION: It's a huge industry. SARAH McCLENDON: I think that both parties are gettin' their money for the election from narcotics. And I think the government is letting the narcotics come in here. CONSPIRACY NATION: Are you familiar with a book called *Dope, Inc.* by Lyndon LaRouche? SARAH McCLENDON: I think I bought that book years ago. Lyndon LaRouche said, when I bought it, he said I had contributed to his campaign. I know about that book, yes. CONSPIRACY NATION: But apparently you don't have a high opinion of Lyndon LaRouche. SARAH McCLENDON: I don't have a high opinion of Lyndon LaRouche. I know he's been tortured and mistreated and all that stuff. It's certainly sad that, to tell people his story. And I think he has some, may have some information. But I have never understood his economics. The main thing, his drug book, as I recall it, is the drug trade was being financed and largely put over the world by England. Wasn't that right? CONSPIRACY NATION: Yeah. SARAH McCLENDON: I think we're pretty silly to sit here every day and not do more investigation about the dope and the narcotics. It's a bigger issue than a lot of the issues that we're playin' with. Brian Redman Editor-in-chief Conspiracy Nation ----------------------------------------------------------------- [The following interview with Lt. Commander Alexander Martin (retired) took place on Tom Valentine's Radio Free America program on July 10, 1995. Valentine's comments follow "Q" while Martin's follow "A".] .... Q: Only 3 percent? That means 97 percent went somewhere else. A: It went into people's pockets. General Secord certainly profited handsomely. General John Singlaub and a host of others did likewise. However, would it have been possible for these men to carry out such an enormous conspiracy, to traffic in such enormous quantities of illegal items, without the duplicity and complicity of the United States govern- ment? Q: I don't see how it would have been possible. A: It would not have been possible, and it was not possible at the time to do so. I think George Bush said it very well in an interview with Sarah McClendon, the grand dame of the Washington press corps. When Bush consented to an interview with Mrs. McClendon in June of 1992, he said on record, which she printed in her newsletter that month, when she asked him about Iran- contra and he said, (and I'm quoting from her newsletter): "If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." This was a public comment by George Bush. Q: George Bush actually admitted that? A: He said it and it was printed in Mrs. McClendon's newsletter in June of 1992.
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